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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
How many times, it's not a myth! British-pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: 'It's very important we talk about it' [Link] In 2013, CEOP published a study and it showed that 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Aug 2018 2.26pm) holy moly.... certainly seems to be a problem. I wonder if a strict upbringing leads to sexual fustration?
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
How many times, it's not a myth! British-pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: 'It's very important we talk about it' [Link] In 2013, CEOP published a study and it showed that 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Aug 2018 2.26pm) And we can counter that with the government's own figures which show that 86% of those convicted for child sex offences were white as of the latest evidence, in 2011. Is it a murky, complex issue? I would refer you to the conclusions raised in your link from the CEOP investigation, which warned against drawing explicit conclusions from the data because a) "this data isn't a comprehensive picture of group abuse and exploitation in the UK" and b) "child sexual abuse by lone offenders is more common than abuse by groups" and "we don’t know how many of those lone offenders are white or Asian". What Tommy Robinson is doing, is ignoring the views of those in the field and using a selective portion of child sexual offences for his own political gain. You have to remember that this is a man who fronted the EDL, a group who would go to Islamic-dominated areas purposefully and get in to confrontations, with some of their members even murdering peaceful Muslims. What sickens me as someone who works with vulnerable children is that we would stoop so low in the debate on CSE, just to further xenephobic and discriminatory beliefs. Edited by serial thriller (03 Aug 2018 3.22pm)
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
show me just one instance of a white british rape gang ( involving middle aged brothers, uncles, grandfathers, cousins etc ) all targetting any sort of young girls ? and targetting girls from a different ethnic group ? Or not even a white Polish rape gang ? good luck in finding that on google. rochdale/rotherham/oxford/Telford ? you in denial of the facts of the cases or just deluded ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (03 Aug 2018 2.46pm) I mean I could just point you towards the systemic sexual abuse committed by British men across the world towards vulnerable young women in the colonies, including in our Muslim-dominated areas like modern day pakistan, Syria, or Malaysia. But surely something like Operation Yewtree, or the peadophile rings involving prominent MPs, would be closer to home?
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| Stirlingsays 03 Aug 18 3.40pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I mean I could just point you towards the systemic sexual abuse committed by British men across the world towards vulnerable young women in the colonies, including in our Muslim-dominated areas like modern day pakistan, Syria, or Malaysia. But surely something like Operation Yewtree, or the peadophile rings involving prominent MPs, would be closer to home? What 'systemic sexual abuse' by British men in pakistan and Syria? As for 'white peadophiles' you will find no cover ups or cries of racism in the working class community over pursuing them. Indeed, they are hunted by individuals within the community themselves and that's has a large groundswell of working class support. You will find no MP has been deselected because they talked about it.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 03 Aug 18 3.46pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Evidence for these claims? The problem with claims like these are what gets reported as a crime.
Firstly, if you can't provide any evidence yourself, don't get so upset when people call you out on it. All you really offered are conspiratorial opinions about the establishment, an establishment which, let us not forget, has been in to multiple wars in Muslim-dominated countries on the basis of speculative, 'fake news' arguments; has then been privy to the running of torture complexes like Abu Ghraib, which imprisoned Muslims with little to no evidence and subjected them to sexual and psychological abuse; has imprisoned Muslims without trial for 40 days or more often wrongly; has detention centres holding high numbers of Muslims, run by private security firms which have been convicted of abusing innmates, and of course is now run by a party whose most high profile Muslim has called for an inquiry in to systemic Islamophobia, which has been ignored. I don't think that kind of establishment would care too much of covering things up for the Muslim community. As for some evidence about Whitechapel, well here's a bit of history on the area for you: [Link] [Link] really fascinating area, where the Salvation army was founded, where local migrants fought off Oswald Mosley's blackshirts, and Latvian revolutionaries took on the army. A poor, but proud, community.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What 'systemic sexual abuse' by British men in pakistan and Syria? As for 'white peadophiles' you will find no cover ups or cries of racism in the working class community over pursuing them. Indeed, they are hunted by individuals within the community themselves and that's has a large groundswell of working class support. You will find no MP has been deselected because they talked about it.
Ah Stirling. You may have some Churchillean romanticised view of the colonies as places of order, Protestant ethic and hard working expats. But they were brutal places: often underachieving civil servants or those wanting to make a quick buck, stuck in communities where they had power but were estranged from their typical environment, and prone to misusing their power like so many other groups. Paxman's written a good deal on it: [Link] and the literature on 'mulatto' children, produced by slave owners and slaves and subsequently abandoned by both communities, is a tragic chapter in our nation's history.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Aug 18 4.09pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Firstly, if you can't provide any evidence yourself, don't get so upset when people call you out on it. Kettle, black anyone? I've already stated the problem with statistics in this area. Originally posted by serial thriller
All you really offered are conspiratorial opinions about the establishment, an establishment which, let us not forget, has been in to multiple wars in Muslim-dominated countries on the basis of speculative, 'fake news' arguments; has then been privy to the running of torture complexes like Abu Ghraib, which imprisoned Muslims with little to no evidence and subjected them to sexual and psychological abuse; has imprisoned Muslims without trial for 40 days or more often wrongly; has detention centres holding high numbers of Muslims, run by private security firms which have been convicted of abusing innmates, and of course is now run by a party whose most high profile Muslim has called for an inquiry in to systemic Islamophobia, which has been ignored. I don't think that kind of establishment would care too much of covering things up for the Muslim community. As for some evidence about Whitechapel, well here's a bit of history on the area for you: [Link] [Link] really fascinating area, where the Salvation army was founded, where local migrants fought off Oswald Mosley's blackshirts, and Latvian revolutionaries took on the army. A poor, but proud, community. The guy who brings up MP peado rings complains about 'conspiratorial opinions about the establishment'. That may or may not be true to whatever extent, but don't present it as fact until it's proven. Then you start expanding out to foreign wars. Honestly I can't be bothered to point out reality to a lefty islamophile. You are welcome to your beliefs. But in my view the party you support is a disgrace on this issue. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Aug 2018 4.13pm)
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| Stirlingsays 03 Aug 18 4.15pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Ah Stirling. You may have some Churchillean romanticised view of the colonies as places of order, Protestant ethic and hard working expats. But they were brutal places: often underachieving civil servants or those wanting to make a quick buck, stuck in communities where they had power but were estranged from their typical environment, and prone to misusing their power like so many other groups. Paxman's written a good deal on it: [Link] and the literature on 'mulatto' children, produced by slave owners and slaves and subsequently abandoned by both communities, is a tragic chapter in our nation's history. You think I don't know history. Sorry, I'm not a cultural marxist and I totally reject your anti British, anti white philosophy. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Aug 2018 4.16pm)
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You think I don't know history. Sorry, I'm not a cultural marxist and I totally reject your anti British, anti white philosophy. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Aug 2018 4.16pm) Is Paxman a cultural marxist then? I'm sure you do know your history, so even just a little to counter my claims would be greatly appreciated.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Aug 18 4.30pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Is Paxman a cultural marxist then? I'm sure you do know your history, so even just a little to counter my claims would be greatly appreciated. Read some books by Niall Ferguson. Paxman is probably a modern day Tory who buys into many of the claims by cultural marxists. It follows the recent transition of the modern day Tories who really only care about keeping their stuff and will cede all the 'social justice' ground to the lefty fruitcakes. Also Paxman is the wally who looked incredulous at Robinson's claims of pakistani rape gangs years ago during their Newsnight interview.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 03 Aug 18 4.50pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Read some books by Niall Ferguson. Paxman is probably a modern day Tory who buys into many of the claims by cultural marxists. It follows the recent transition of the modern day Tories who really only care about keeping their stuff and will cede all the 'social justice' ground to the lefty fruitcakes. Also Paxman is the wally who looked incredulous at Robinson's claims of pakistani rape gangs years ago during their Newsnight interview. Which book, the early ones where he's incredibly critical of the British empire, or the later ones when he gets on the Tory and Republican gravy train and starts writing sympathetically of neo-imperialism? The mans a charlatan, whose views have been derided throughout the history community but continues to take pay packets from governments and hedge funds. Oh, and he likes to 'dig up dirt' on students who he disagrees with: [Link] And I don't think even he'd dispute that colonialists went around having their way with native women. Once again stirling, do you want to offer up any actual history to challenge my views, or are you just going to call anyone who disagrees with you a cultural marxist? Edited by serial thriller (03 Aug 2018 4.53pm)
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| Stirlingsays 03 Aug 18 4.54pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Which book, the early ones where he's incredibly critical of the British empire, or the later ones when he gets on the Tory and Republican gravy train and starts writing sympathetically of neo-imperialism? The mans a charlatan, whose views have been derided throughout the history community but continues to take pay packets from governments and hedge funds. Oh, and he likes to 'dig up dirt' on students who he disagrees with: [Link]
The British empire is no different. However, you can take your cultural marxism on a long walk off a short pier. As for your complaints about Ferguson......man you're hilarious. I don't play your game. I don't rate Kennedy a bad president because he liked the skirt. I judge someone by their competency in their profession. Oh and don't talk to me about being derided....the humanities are full of cultural marxists who aren't worth the crap off his shoes in terms of ability. Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Aug 2018 4.58pm)
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