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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 05 Dec 17 3.33pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

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Originally posted by rikz

Maybe a stupid question, but does anyone know why the club and Sainsburys don't seem to want to work together ? Would it not be beneficial to both parties to reach an agreement that sees us redeveloping the main stand and whitehorse, with Sainsbury's losing some land in return for a new store on a new stadium in a soon to be gentrified area.

Is it because the club only want to do it stand by stand or are Sainsbury's just not interested or expecting us to buy land at a premium and then build them a new store also ?

In all honesty...I think they'll find an agreement. Its just that when approached about the strip of car park they came back with a reportedly crazy amount and I have a feeling that rather then trying to negotiate, SP cam out in the press saying as much.

I agree that it's in both interests to move forward together, quickly.

 


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Mstrobez Flag 05 Dec 17 3.38pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

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Originally posted by rikz

Maybe a stupid question, but does anyone know why the club and Sainsburys don't seem to want to work together ? Would it not be beneficial to both parties to reach an agreement that sees us redeveloping the main stand and whitehorse, with Sainsbury's losing some land in return for a new store on a new stadium in a soon to be gentrified area.

Is it because the club only want to do it stand by stand or are Sainsbury's just not interested or expecting us to buy land at a premium and then build them a new store also ?

There are probably a number of reasons but personally I think one of the main ones is from a business point of view, football especially with a club like ours is an extremely speculative game. I'd imagine sainsburys are reluctant to give up on precious land that supermarkets see as so valuable for the sake of "maybe increasing a bit of revenue" - if we go down, that of course won't be the case. That on top of weighing how much more profit they'll actually rake in as a result of 6k more people on a match day vs how much land they may need to give up.

If you look it at strictly from a business point of view, were essentially asking them to give up highly valued land (and who knows of what quanitity), because Parish thinks this is a slam dunk for everyone around despite the fact we have a club that is desperately fighting relegation every year.

One would hope that potentially they have an agreement in principle, subject to planning. And that's what I'm still clinging onto, when taking into considerarion the fuss that was made yesterday.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Dec 17 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops


Thanks for the link Rudi. If the land owned blue (which is the traditional outline colour for adjacent landlholding) is correct and current, then it looks from that plan that we must have done a sale and lease back of that end of the ground at some point in the past. Would need to see leases to see exactly where we stand however the ball would appear to be firmly in Sainsburys court. CPO rules are complex, but it would not be out of the question if the Council feel it is in the public interest for it to occur. Threat of CPO is normally sufficient to get two sides talking at reasonable price, as is a big fat chequebook however Sainsburys will not only be looking at the value of the land to be sold but also at the reduction in the value of their asset as a result of the loss of car parking. Hands up all those who would stop shopping there if the car parking disappears?

I really do hope that SP has done his homework properly on all of this before releasing yesterdays scheme as there would be huge disappointment if this is a damp squib.


I'm not sure the new stand would take away Sainsburys car parking spaces. The link now doesn't work. It's certainly going to take away car parking in the car park Sainsburys own but lease to us and have legal rights to use it as a Sainsburys car parking overspill but haven't ever needed. God knows what the plans are for cpfc car parking with even fewer spaces once the main stand is way more than 100% deeper.

 


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Lyons550 Flag Shirley 05 Dec 17 3.43pm Send a Private Message to Lyons550 Add Lyons550 as a friend

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I'm not sure the new stand would take away Sainsburys car parking spaces. The link now doesn't work. It's certainly going to take away car parking in the car park Sainsburys own but lease to us and have legal rights to use it as a Sainsburys car parking overspill but haven't ever needed. God knows what the plans are for cpfc car parking with even fewer spaces once the main stand is way more than 100% deeper.

Underground car parking has been muted in the past

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Dec 17 3.43pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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Originally posted by Mstrobez

There are probably a number of reasons but personally I think one of the main ones is from a business point of view, football especially with a club like ours is an extremely speculative game. I'd imagine sainsburys are reluctant to give up on precious land that supermarkets see as so valuable for the sake of "maybe increasing a bit of revenue" - if we go down, that of course won't be the case. That on top of weighing how much more profit they'll actually rake in as a result of 6k more people on a match day vs how much land they may need to give up.

If you look it at strictly from a business point of view, were essentially asking them to give up highly valued land (and who knows of what quanitity), because Parish thinks this is a slam dunk for everyone around despite the fact we have a club that is desperately fighting relegation every year.

One would hope that potentially they have an agreement in principle, subject to planning. And that's what I'm still clinging onto, when taking into considerarion the fuss that was made yesterday.

I hope it happens but the Sainsburys comments in the advertiser didn't hint anything to that effect.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Dec 17 3.46pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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[Link]

All you need to know on how Parish views Sainsburys on this.

 


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Mstrobez Flag 05 Dec 17 3.47pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I hope it happens but the Sainsburys comments in the advertiser didn't hint anything to that effect.

But if this is merely a way of attempting a forced hand, why now? I'm clutching at straws I know but Parish spoke about plans for the main stand years ago. Sainsbury's were as stubborn then as they are now, why has he waited for so long. He would've surely recognised Sainsbury's not moving a long time ago.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Dec 17 3.53pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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Originally posted by Mstrobez

But if this is merely a way of attempting a forced hand, why now? I'm clutching at straws I know but Parish spoke about plans for the main stand years ago. Sainsbury's were as stubborn then as they are now, why has he waited for so long. He would've surely recognised Sainsbury's not moving a long time ago.

The Palace spokesperson just said:

'Parish thinks the best way is to show what a great project it is and then hope we can work cooperatively.

There need to be ongoing discussions with Sainsburys but there's no point having them until we have planning permission.

you can submit plans on land you do not own.'

But Sainsburys were unaware of these plans and the unveiling of them.

That's where it is.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 Dec 2017 4.18pm)

 


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Ginger Pubic Wig Flag Wickham de L'Ouest 05 Dec 17 3.56pm Send a Private Message to Ginger Pubic Wig Add Ginger Pubic Wig as a friend

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

[Link]

All you need to know on how Parish views Sainsburys on this.

Well done the Adder. That's actually worth reading. It's as if somebody decided to actually pick up the phone and call a few people. Huge development.

 


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Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

Well done the Adder. That's actually worth reading. It's as if somebody decided to actually pick up the phone and call a few people. Huge development.

Note the Parish quotes are February but it doesn't sound as if anything has been agreed in principle going by the cpfc spokesperson. Parish is throwing the plans out there with the money and intention to actually do it and find out and publicly voice the objections and obstacles probably just Sainsburys have any influence with.

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 05 Dec 17 4.11pm

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Do we own the space above the Whitehorse end to build up?

 


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Originally posted by HKOwen

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium upgrade, can anyone please advise on.....' by Penge Eagle

Apart from the changes to the main stand , is anything else planned around the ground to improve facilties, i.e toilets in the AW and generally around the ground.

If anyone has seen anything in the proposal that includes non main stand expenditure and improvement please point it out

Hopefully it is there and I missed it

Thanks

They are spending a few quid on the Whitehorse end. If that helps?

 

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