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DanH SW2 16 Dec 21 2.39pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's never been free....frigging 44 percent of taxpayer spending. Dan is a 'pick and choose' socialist....like all the other leftists making a nice living. Apparently everyone has to be pulled up to his standard of living rather than meeting in the middle. Funny how the concept of equality suddenly changes when it affects the individual. I always find this position so lazy and laughable. Like doing alright for yourself suddenly means that unless you pull up the drawbridge for everyone else then you can't believe that some socialist policies make sense. I'm far more a capitalist and a free marketeer than a socialist, but I believe in a progressive tax/social security system with those with higher earnings/wealth contributing more back into the system that benefits them to ensure high levels of healthcare, social care, education, public transport etc. for the rest of society. I also believe that natural monopolies such as utilities, railways etc. should be in public hands (or at the very least run on a not for profit basis). People should be able to crack on and make money as much as they want, as long as they're not abusing human beings and paying back into the system through taxation then that's all fine by me. But still, paint me as a massive hippy just because I'm to the left of most on here.
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SW2 16 Dec 21 2.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's never been free....frigging 44 percent of taxpayer spending.

Dan is a 'pick and choose' socialist....like all the other leftists making a nice living. Apparently everyone has to be pulled up to his standard of living rather than meeting in the middle.

Funny how the concept of equality suddenly changes when it affects the individual.

I always find this position so lazy and laughable. Like doing alright for yourself suddenly means that unless you pull up the drawbridge for everyone else then you can't believe that some socialist policies make sense.

I'm far more a capitalist and a free marketeer than a socialist, but I believe in a progressive tax/social security system with those with higher earnings/wealth contributing more back into the system that benefits them to ensure high levels of healthcare, social care, education, public transport etc. for the rest of society. I also believe that natural monopolies such as utilities, railways etc. should be in public hands (or at the very least run on a not for profit basis).

People should be able to crack on and make money as much as they want, as long as they're not abusing human beings and paying back into the system through taxation then that's all fine by me.

But still, paint me as a massive hippy just because I'm to the left of most on here.

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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 2.42pm
Originally posted by DanH I always find this position so lazy and laughable. Like doing alright for yourself suddenly means that unless you pull up the drawbridge for everyone else then you can't believe that some socialist policies make sense. I'm far more a capitalist and a free marketeer than a socialist, but I believe in a progressive tax/social security system with those with higher earnings/wealth contributing more back into the system that benefits them to ensure high levels of healthcare, social care, education, public transport etc. for the rest of society. I also believe that natural monopolies such as utilities, railways etc. should be in public hands (or at the very least run on a not for profit basis). People should be able to crack on and make money as much as they want, as long as they're not abusing human beings and paying back into the system through taxation then that's all fine by me. But still, paint me as a massive hippy just because I'm to the left of most on here. Just winding you up Dan. But I'm shocked to hear that you're not on the hippy train! [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.45pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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16 Dec 21 2.42pm

Originally posted by DanH

People should be able to crack on and make money as much as they want, as long as they're not abusing human beings and paying back into the system through taxation then that's all fine by me.

But still, paint me as a massive hippy just because I'm to the left of most on here.

Just winding you up Dan.

But I'm shocked to hear that you're not on the hippy train!

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Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.45pm)

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steeleye20 Croydon 16 Dec 21 2.47pm
Socialist measures are the only things keeping the country going. A wealth tax of 2% raising 96 billions seems unarguably fair and helpful to the NHS and struggling families.
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Croydon 16 Dec 21 2.47pm

Socialist measures are the only things keeping the country going.

A wealth tax of 2% raising 96 billions seems unarguably fair and helpful to the NHS and struggling families.

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Eaglecoops CR3 16 Dec 21 2.48pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow How does one falsely name someone as a socialist as a put-down, while bemoaning that our free healthcare system isn't up to standard? Bit touchy aren’t you? I wasn’t putting him down anyway, I was asking a question that I thought would be appropriate to someone with socialist ideals. Maybe I’ll ask you instead. If you are faced with putting food on the table for your family or protecting the nhs by staying in when you have a sniffle what would you do? Too many people you included it would appear associate everything with political ideals. I don’t have any, I think they are all garbage as I have mentioned on here many times. Wanting a decent nhs and thinking we are going about things in the wrong way are two entirely different things but apparently it’s the government’s excuse for any decision they make currently.
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CR3 16 Dec 21 2.48pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

How does one falsely name someone as a socialist as a put-down, while bemoaning that our free healthcare system isn't up to standard?

Bit touchy aren’t you? I wasn’t putting him down anyway, I was asking a question that I thought would be appropriate to someone with socialist ideals. Maybe I’ll ask you instead.

If you are faced with putting food on the table for your family or protecting the nhs by staying in when you have a sniffle what would you do?

Too many people you included it would appear associate everything with political ideals. I don’t have any, I think they are all garbage as I have mentioned on here many times. Wanting a decent nhs and thinking we are going about things in the wrong way are two entirely different things but apparently it’s the government’s excuse for any decision they make currently.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 16 Dec 21 2.50pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays A look at the statistics on how many are in beds with ventilators, now and in comparison with the course of the pandemic. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.21pm) There’s going to be an issue in hospitals but probably a shorter one. Maybe not short enough [Tweet Link] Edited by Rudi Hedman (16 Dec 2021 2.54pm) COYP
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Caterham 16 Dec 21 2.50pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

A look at the statistics on how many are in beds with ventilators, now and in comparison with the course of the pandemic.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.21pm)

There’s going to be an issue in hospitals but probably a shorter one. Maybe not short enough

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Edited by Rudi Hedman (16 Dec 2021 2.54pm)

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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 2.51pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Socialist measures are the only things keeping the country going. A wealth tax of 2% raising 96 billions seems unarguably fair and helpful to the NHS and struggling families. Yeah, we all know that increasing tax on those with real wealth has always worked out well. France tried that only years back....total disaster. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Dec 21 2.51pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Socialist measures are the only things keeping the country going.

A wealth tax of 2% raising 96 billions seems unarguably fair and helpful to the NHS and struggling families.

Yeah, we all know that increasing tax on those with real wealth has always worked out well.

France tried that only years back....total disaster.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 2.54pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman There’s going to be an issue in hospitals but probably a short one It all just looks remarkably similar to how most airborne viruses go. The only difference is that today you have this huge number of egos and control freaks who think that this or that policy made any real difference.....other than destroying their economies much more than the mega fecked state they were already in. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.58pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

16 Dec 21 2.54pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

There’s going to be an issue in hospitals but probably a short one

It all just looks remarkably similar to how most airborne viruses go.

The only difference is that today you have this huge number of egos and control freaks who think that this or that policy made any real difference.....other than destroying their economies much more than the mega fecked state they were already in.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.58pm)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 16 Dec 21 3.02pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Bit touchy aren’t you? I wasn’t putting him down anyway, I was asking a question that I thought would be appropriate to someone with socialist ideals. Maybe I’ll ask you instead. If you are faced with putting food on the table for your family or protecting the nhs by staying in when you have a sniffle what would you do? Too many people you included it would appear associate everything with political ideals. I don’t have any, I think they are all garbage as I have mentioned on here many times. Wanting a decent nhs and thinking we are going about things in the wrong way are two entirely different things but apparently it’s the government’s excuse for any decision they make currently. Mate, it's a mesageboard - people might challenge your views occasionally.. I'm not sure why you consider that touchy. I'd certainly agree that support needs to be in place for people to be able to 'afford' to do the right thing and isolate when appropriate.
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Bit touchy aren’t you? I wasn’t putting him down anyway, I was asking a question that I thought would be appropriate to someone with socialist ideals. Maybe I’ll ask you instead.

If you are faced with putting food on the table for your family or protecting the nhs by staying in when you have a sniffle what would you do?

Mate, it's a mesageboard - people might challenge your views occasionally.. I'm not sure why you consider that touchy.

I'd certainly agree that support needs to be in place for people to be able to 'afford' to do the right thing and isolate when appropriate.

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The Dolphin 16 Dec 21 4.34pm
Getting back to the unvaccinated...........my Cousin works in a London Hospital. They have 31 covid cases there so far this week - 100% not vaccinated - not a single vaccinated person in there. Scary - but thanks to all of you who won't jab (for anything other than a medical reason of course)!
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The Dolphin

16 Dec 21 4.34pm

Getting back to the unvaccinated...........my Cousin works in a London Hospital.
They have 31 covid cases there so far this week - 100% not vaccinated - not a single vaccinated person in there.
Scary - but thanks to all of you who won't jab (for anything other than a medical reason of course)!

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DanH SW2 16 Dec 21 5.01pm
Originally posted by The Dolphin Getting back to the unvaccinated...........my Cousin works in a London Hospital. They have 31 covid cases there so far this week - 100% not vaccinated - not a single vaccinated person in there. Scary - but thanks to all of you who won't jab (for anything other than a medical reason of course)! So frustrating. 31 beds and all that staff time that could be better used elsewhere.
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DanH

SW2 16 Dec 21 5.01pm

Originally posted by The Dolphin

So frustrating. 31 beds and all that staff time that could be better used elsewhere.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 16 Dec 21 5.12pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The government seem to be trying a business lockdown without actually announcing one.....effectively constraining and harming businesses without having to pay people via furlough. The Tories use to be the party of business. It is very much an informal lockdown. "Be sensible" what sort of advice is that when half of people in shops seem to have discarded masks, and no-one is challenging them ? Tories the party of business ? No, the Tories are in the business of partying,. I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The government seem to be trying a business lockdown without actually announcing one.....effectively constraining and harming businesses without having to pay people via furlough.

The Tories use to be the party of business.

It is very much an informal lockdown. "Be sensible" what sort of advice is that when half of people in shops seem to have discarded masks, and no-one is challenging them ?

Tories the party of business ? No, the Tories are in the business of partying,.