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I posted this on the America thread but I think it has relevance to Brexit too.
They gave us one little window of real democracy and I am happy to have cast my vote and say screw you.
The EU is nothing more than a puppet organisation for the super rich. The USE is coming, and it will make it so much easier to for them to f*** us all over.

The guys who run this game aren't evil. They aren't Spectre. They are just like the rest of us. They just got ahead one day and started making the rules.

He's fallen softly. When May falls it will be with a thunderous thud from which she will never recover.

Sure she made mistakes. I have no idea what they were, precisely, but one thing is certain: to take the perfect path is impossible. Near history will vilify her as people with their own nests to line queue up to attack her. Longer history will show a woman who remained in power against all the odds, doggedly fought the media, the opposition, the EU and her own party with few loyal supporters. And yet...

Brexiteers were warned this would happen, that there would be a fudge. And they were warned in plain English. It was attacked as "Project Fear". Thus, is it fair to blame the person who produced the inevitable fudge.

Somebody was on the radio last night. He actually said that the deal is a rotten one; and the fault is putting a remainer in charge who, consequently, prosecuted the task with little enthusiasm and with the view to retaining the parts of the EU she liked. Honestly!

It didn't take long before Brexiteers blamed Remainers for the mess. Not, of course, the leave vote. Or indeed the Herculean task of passing a deal where the UK is in a 1 -v- 27 battle in Europe; where Brexiteers are in a 1 -v- 6 battle in Parliament (and even worse odds in the Lords); where the country itself hovers from bare majority leave to bare majority stay; and where Brexiteers themselves are fiercely divided as to exactly what they want from any deal.

I am confident a deal will be struck. Big money simply won't allow the catastrophic consequences of failure. We will leave the EU. There will be a certain and predictable exit. And matters will eventally settle to a new equilibrium after initial economic hardship. And then someone will write a nice book about Theresa May and the BBC will commission a 6-part sympathetic series about her premiership.

But before all that...

I think the real tragedy from the last few days has been the resignation of Ester McVey.

To say What I could do to that women would red card me from here.

Has she resigned?

You living in a yurt at the moment then?

The prime minister (who I'm no fan of) is delivering on the wishes expressed in the referendum, the wording of which was simply:

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

Remain a member of the European Union

Leave the European Union

So any Brexit deal fulfills that requirement.

Arguably the question was too vague, in that it was not clear what a proposed Brexit would look like. The problem with the wording as mentioned by the LSE here: [Link]

It was never a binary choice, it's far too complex an issue for that. What the strategy for Brexit should be, i.e. what the government should be aiming to achieve was always the bigger question. And that is the reason for the turmoil we're seeing now. There never was a proposed blueprint or plan for Brexit.

Arguably the referendum needs to be repeated (at least if you agree the decision on Brexit should be decided by referendum), with a number of clearly defined options on the paper. The people can then decide on a clearly defined path they want the country to take. Because right now, the PM can legitimately claim to be delivering on the will of the people, while nearly nobody (either remainers or "hard" Brexiters) will be happy with the outcome.

Edited by the_mcanuff_stuff (15 Nov 2018 12.13pm)