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BlueJay UK 16 Dec 21 2.19am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
So no suspicion then? Ok. Well the suspicion, at least on my part, comes on the timing and the amount of variance and contagion potential. The 'whys' could be multifold, from continued societal engineering into accepting digital control systems to continued wealth transfer and no doubt other motivations. Obviously speculation but there you go. I am typically suspicious of government, but mild or otherwise, there are already plenty of signs from other countries and situations that this will be very widespread over the coming weeks. That and the science behind analysis of the variant. It will surely become apparent either way very soon .
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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 2.22am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I am typically suspicious of government, but mild or otherwise, there are already plenty of signs from other countries and situations that this will be very widespread over the coming weeks. That and the science behind analysis of the variant. It will surely become apparent either way very soon . If the contention is true...and I'm only speculating, I doubt it's government. I doubt analyzing the variant will prove much in of itself. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.23am)
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BlueJay UK 16 Dec 21 2.47am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If the contention is true...and I'm only speculating, I doubt it's government. I doubt analyzing the variant will prove much in of itself. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.23am) Certainly, but the frequency with which people test positive for it or become ill may well. If there is significant spread (I'd be very surprised if there isn't) but it's relatively mild it may well be a positive thing once all is said and done. The situation in a couple of weeks may well be markedly different from today. If not then certainly people are liable to question why.
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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 2.55am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Certainly, but the frequency with which people test positive for it or become ill may well. If there is significant spread (I'd be very surprised if there isn't) but it's relatively mild it may well be a positive thing once all is said and done. The situation in a couple of weeks may well be markedly different from today. If not then certainly people are liable to question why. You think that the requirement for 'boosters' won't be continued after this and that society goes back to normal? I hope that's correct as that would add weight to taking everything at face value. That's not where my chips are at the moment but we shall see. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.57am)
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 16 Dec 21 8.53am | |
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Guidance is woolly at the moment : This is a big gamble going into Christmas, with the NHS already under strain.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Dec 21 9.17am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You think that the requirement for 'boosters' won't be continued after this and that society goes back to normal? I hope that's correct as that would add weight to taking everything at face value. That's not where my chips are at the moment but we shall see. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 2.57am) Society will eventually go back to normal, but why is it odd that we’d need annual boosters? The 1918 pandemic lasted over two years. We’re at about 20 months. Obviously the flu jab is recommended every year rather than mandated but over time I’d expect boosters to transition to recommended as this thing becomes endemic and natural immunity enters an annual cycle. At this rate there will certainly be a lot of natural immunity amongst the population by Feb.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Dec 21 9.20am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
Guidance is woolly at the moment : This is a big gamble going into Christmas, with the NHS already under strain. Boris clearly can’t risk political suicide by going to ‘Plan C’ or whatever that is - so I think they might be reluctantly banking on the mass isolation strategy which is effectively the same. Pubs and businesses can’t open if everyone is isolating. The rapid spread of this variant makes it pretty likely a lot of places will be closed in the next few days, either through lack of staff or customers. Also a lag between London and the rest of the country - so if you’re not getting many cases in your area now, you will be in a couple of weeks.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Dec 21 9.23am | |
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Dec 21 9.27am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Jeez, don’t panic Mr Mannering! Why don’t we just wait and see what happens. Never heard so much hyperbolic bollocks in my life. Where’s the panic? The rapid spread is surely a positive. Gets it out of the way quicker, most vaccinated people won’t have to endure anything worse than heavy cold symptoms and a bit of isolation and by end Jan everyone’s got roaring immunity either through boosters or natural exposure. Hopefully the great unvaxxed and vulnerable don’t clog up the hospital system.
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Stirlingsays 16 Dec 21 9.37am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Society will eventually go back to normal, but why is it odd that we’d need annual boosters? The 1918 pandemic lasted over two years. We’re at about 20 months. Obviously the flu jab is recommended every year rather than mandated but over time I’d expect boosters to transition to recommended as this thing becomes endemic and natural immunity enters an annual cycle. At this rate there will certainly be a lot of natural immunity amongst the population by Feb. Obviously I hope you're correct. There are of course significant differences between how that pandemic and this one has been handled, socially and of course economically....perhaps your past family, mine and by extension us wouldn't have been able to live as nice a lifestyle if it hadn't been. However, I view the move towards control systems as almost out in the open and fears over health is always going to be the easiest conduit towards it. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2021 9.37am)
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Eaglecoops CR3 16 Dec 21 9.45am | |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Boris clearly can’t risk political suicide by going to ‘Plan C’ or whatever that is - so I think they might be reluctantly banking on the mass isolation strategy which is effectively the same. Pubs and businesses can’t open if everyone is isolating. The rapid spread of this variant makes it pretty likely a lot of places will be closed in the next few days, either through lack of staff or customers. Also a lag between London and the rest of the country - so if you’re not getting many cases in your area now, you will be in a couple of weeks. Not quite sure how this is going to work. Loads of people with minor if any symptoms who possibly have access to a test although given the lack of them around, unlikely to find one to take. So do you reckon they will stay at home on the basis they might have it rather than a minor sniffle. That won’t work well for skint families leading up to Christmas. Similarly lockdowns will fail as it has already been proven this just kicks the can down the road and with the current supposed contagion rate of this variant you would only have to be out of lockdown for a few days and would be back in the same position. It is getting to the stage now where those who are worried should lock themselves away and the rest should just get on with it. It’s not something you can realistically hide from forever. The first week into the New Year will give us an indication of whether this variant has much effect on the young, the fit and healthy and the vaccinated. It appears unlikely from initial analysis that it is as dangerous as the earlier variants therefore the rest need to take a view on whether they carry on, lock themselves away or change their minds and get vaccinated. Everyone in this country has had the chance to decide what they want to do for their own safety. It’s time to move on.
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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 16 Dec 21 10.12am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Not quite sure how this is going to work. Loads of people with minor if any symptoms who possibly have access to a test although given the lack of them around, unlikely to find one to take. So do you reckon they will stay at home on the basis they might have it rather than a minor sniffle. That won’t work well for skint families leading up to Christmas. Similarly lockdowns will fail as it has already been proven this just kicks the can down the road and with the current supposed contagion rate of this variant you would only have to be out of lockdown for a few days and would be back in the same position. It is getting to the stage now where those who are worried should lock themselves away and the rest should just get on with it. It’s not something you can realistically hide from forever. The first week into the New Year will give us an indication of whether this variant has much effect on the young, the fit and healthy and the vaccinated. It appears unlikely from initial analysis that it is as dangerous as the earlier variants therefore the rest need to take a view on whether they carry on, lock themselves away or change their minds and get vaccinated. Everyone in this country has had the chance to decide what they want to do for their own safety. It’s time to move on. My point was so many people will be isolating at the same time that nothing will be able to open anyway, not that we need more lockdowns unless something absolutely overwhelming occurs Agree you can't hide from it, certainly not now. Almost everyone will get it, it's insanely transmissible (from recent personal experience!) Also the 'not as dangerous' media line is still unverified – the data could be skewed due to vaccination ensuring symptoms are milder. Will have to see what happens re. unvaxxed etc. Also even if it is milder, faster spread and more transmission means more cases in a shorter timeframe, which means even if it is weaker it could easily result in more hospitalisations as a result. Hopefully that's not the case but we should know in a couple of weeks Re. lack of available testing, no idea. You're supposed to isolate with symptoms but I doubt that many people know that or even care... we shall see. If they don't bother they'll spread it more anyway so not sure how much difference it will make in that regard. One thing is for certain – the case rate is going to go 100k+ per day! Edited by SW19 CPFC (16 Dec 2021 10.14am)
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