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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 14 Nov 18 4.34pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Here's a photo of mine [Link] Liar Attachment: gallery-1468054659-gettyimages-494582287.jpg (19.32Kb) Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 14 Nov 18 4.34pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Here's a photo of mine

[Link]

Liar

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Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Lyons550 Shirley 14 Nov 18 4.38pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Yeh, only 1.5% growth. Meanwhile, the UK gets 1.3%. Of course you're correct, but then place it in proper context...a country unsure of its future vs one that is a dominating force in the EU; then it doesnt look half as good as you make out. Considering the Euro levels are favourable for exporting from within the Eu at the moment...its not the best set of results...also don't forget the rise of nationalism in Germany as well... they will clearly prey on this (just like UKIP)...and then see what happens. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 14 Nov 18 4.38pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yeh, only 1.5% growth.

Meanwhile, the UK gets 1.3%.

Of course you're correct, but then place it in proper context...a country unsure of its future vs one that is a dominating force in the EU; then it doesnt look half as good as you make out.

Considering the Euro levels are favourable for exporting from within the Eu at the moment...its not the best set of results...also don't forget the rise of nationalism in Germany as well... they will clearly prey on this (just like UKIP)...and then see what happens.

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.48pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Of course you're correct, but then place it in proper context...a country unsure of its future vs one that is a dominating force in the EU; then it doesnt look half as good as you make out. Considering the Euro levels are favourable for exporting from within the Eu at the moment...its not the best set of results...also don't forget the rise of nationalism in Germany as well... they will clearly prey on this (just like UKIP)...and then see what happens. It's not stellar but it's not a disaster There is no doubt the emissions scandal has hit the economy and will continue to do so. There are multiple legal actions going on to claim damages which will take a while to play through the system. I suspect Brexit and Trump are also not helping right at the moment, much uncertainty. But I seriously doubt Germany is 'in trouble'. The rise of nationalism is a global phenomenon. As Stirling says, not to my tastes. I have hugely enjoyed working throughout the world and would regret it should my children not have similar opportunities. It is highly enlightening to have to reserve judgement and avoid being opinionated whilst you work out how another culture ticks.
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Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.48pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

Of course you're correct, but then place it in proper context...a country unsure of its future vs one that is a dominating force in the EU; then it doesnt look half as good as you make out.

It's not stellar but it's not a disaster

There is no doubt the emissions scandal has hit the economy and will continue to do so. There are multiple legal actions going on to claim damages which will take a while to play through the system.

I suspect Brexit and Trump are also not helping right at the moment, much uncertainty. But I seriously doubt Germany is 'in trouble'.

The rise of nationalism is a global phenomenon. As Stirling says, not to my tastes. I have hugely enjoyed working throughout the world and would regret it should my children not have similar opportunities. It is highly enlightening to have to reserve judgement and avoid being opinionated whilst you work out how another culture ticks.

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chris123 hove actually 14 Nov 18 4.48pm
Originally posted by Mapletree In my experience, principles are always mitigated by sharp economic reality I remain to be convinced that the real economic costs where fully understood and explained during the campaign. The best guess that I have seen from all sides appears to be short term pain, medium term pain, possible but indeterminable long term benefit. Mine was based on governance not economics
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hove actually 14 Nov 18 4.48pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

In my experience, principles are always mitigated by sharp economic reality

I remain to be convinced that the real economic costs where fully understood and explained during the campaign.

The best guess that I have seen from all sides appears to be short term pain, medium term pain, possible but indeterminable long term benefit.

Mine was based on governance not economics

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Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.49pm
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Liar Ah, I see you have an old photo from before the tablets and the pump.
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Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.49pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

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Ah, I see you have an old photo from before the tablets and the pump.

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Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.51pm
Originally posted by chris123 Mine was based on governance not economics Yes, I had appreciated that. But in the end how much money are you prepared to lose for such principles. Maybe you can live with a slightly imperfect structure if your quality of life depends upon it.
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Mapletree

Croydon 14 Nov 18 4.51pm

Originally posted by chris123

Mine was based on governance not economics

Yes, I had appreciated that. But in the end how much money are you prepared to lose for such principles. Maybe you can live with a slightly imperfect structure if your quality of life depends upon it.

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chris123 hove actually 14 Nov 18 4.54pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Yes, I had appreciated that. But in the end how much money are you prepared to lose for such principles. Maybe you can live with a slightly imperfect structure if your quality of life depends upon it. I voted to stay in 1975 - what we finished up with was not what I voted for
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hove actually 14 Nov 18 4.54pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I voted to stay in 1975 - what we finished up with was not what I voted for

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Lyons550 Shirley 14 Nov 18 4.55pm
Originally posted by Mapletree It's not stellar but it's not a disaster There is no doubt the emissions scandal has hit the economy and will continue to do so. There are multiple legal actions going on to claim damages which will take a while to play through the system. I suspect Brexit and Trump are also not helping right at the moment, much uncertainty. But I seriously doubt Germany is 'in trouble'. The rise of nationalism is a global phenomenon. As Stirling says, not to my tastes. I have hugely enjoyed working throughout the world and would regret it should my children not have similar opportunities. It is highly enlightening to have to reserve judgement and avoid being opinionated whilst you work out how another culture ticks. Certainly not a disaster; but a sign that not all is rosey in the EU. I can see Italy dragging the EU down with it or cutting loose, and then it may well either enforce a re-think as to the ongoing form that the EU takes or at worst it collapsing as other Countries follow suit. The worst thing for the EU at the minute would be for a country who leaves doing well.... The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 14 Nov 18 4.55pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

It's not stellar but it's not a disaster

There is no doubt the emissions scandal has hit the economy and will continue to do so. There are multiple legal actions going on to claim damages which will take a while to play through the system.

I suspect Brexit and Trump are also not helping right at the moment, much uncertainty. But I seriously doubt Germany is 'in trouble'.

Certainly not a disaster; but a sign that not all is rosey in the EU. I can see Italy dragging the EU down with it or cutting loose, and then it may well either enforce a re-think as to the ongoing form that the EU takes or at worst it collapsing as other Countries follow suit.

The worst thing for the EU at the minute would be for a country who leaves doing well....

The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World

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Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 5.00pm
Originally posted by Lyons550 Certainly not a disaster; but a sign that not all is rosey in the EU. I can see Italy dragging the EU down with it or cutting loose, and then it may well either enforce a re-think as to the ongoing form that the EU takes or at worst it collapsing as other Countries follow suit. The worst thing for the EU at the minute would be for a country who leaves doing well.... Can't disagree with that The EU should have been more tuned in to the popular opinions two years ago and shown some flexibility in the run-up to the vote. Corbyn and the EU seem to have got away without significant criticism when in reality they should shoulder much of the blame.
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Mapletree

Croydon 14 Nov 18 5.00pm

Originally posted by Lyons550

The worst thing for the EU at the minute would be for a country who leaves doing well....

Can't disagree with that

The EU should have been more tuned in to the popular opinions two years ago and shown some flexibility in the run-up to the vote. Corbyn and the EU seem to have got away without significant criticism when in reality they should shoulder much of the blame.

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Stuk Top half 14 Nov 18 5.13pm
Originally posted by DanH It's been an absolute fcking shtshow from the day that the referendum was announced and it's just embarrassing. This is going to affect so many people's lives in a way that they don't quite fully realise yet, all because of a 3 year long game of comparing cocks. We should have done it in reverse. Leave the day after the vote and negotiate it all after. You could put any deal on the table and people are still going to moan about part of or all of it. Trying to get an agreement before exiting has been ball ache, which is why most people just want it over with now, no matter what deal happens or doesn't. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 14 Nov 18 5.13pm

Originally posted by DanH

It's been an absolute f*cking sh*tshow from the day that the referendum was announced and it's just embarrassing.

This is going to affect so many people's lives in a way that they don't quite fully realise yet, all because of a 3 year long game of comparing cocks.

We should have done it in reverse. Leave the day after the vote and negotiate it all after.

You could put any deal on the table and people are still going to moan about part of or all of it. Trying to get an agreement before exiting has been ball ache, which is why most people just want it over with now, no matter what deal happens or doesn't.

Optimistic as ever

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Mapletree Croydon 14 Nov 18 5.17pm
Originally posted by Stuk We should have done it in reverse. Leave the day after the vote and negotiate it all after. You could put any deal on the table and people are still going to moan about part of or all of it. Trying to get an agreement before exiting has been ball ache, which is why most people just want it over with now, no matter what deal happens or doesn't. I am guessing your aren't an expert negotiator Stu. Still, those experts, pah.
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Mapletree

Croydon 14 Nov 18 5.17pm

Originally posted by Stuk

We should have done it in reverse. Leave the day after the vote and negotiate it all after.

I am guessing your aren't an expert negotiator Stu.

Still, those experts, pah.

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