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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Dec 21 3.29pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

To paraphrase Mandy Rice-Davies. Well, they wouldn’t make it public would they?

Not something that is intended to be discussed, no. It's not unusual to circulate controversial ideas with the intention of provoking a reaction and debate. What matters is what is actually the formal policy, and why and how it is administered.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Dec 21 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

From the perspective of the NHS staff themselves, what will they do.

I wonder how many will leave.

Personally I wouldn't accept such powers over me.

Hopefully none, or very few.

My wife had early reservations but once the benefits were made clear, both to her and for her patients, she readily agreed and so far as I know so have all her colleagues. They put their patient's needs above any personal considerations. That's the nature of their calling.

Of course, there will always be a few stragglers, but I anticipate them being treated with great care, respect and patience. If they really cannot agree, then I anticipate them being redeployed into non person-contact roles until it's safe for them to resume contact again. I don't expect the new policy to be a take it or leave it arrangement. More great encouragement!

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 15 Dec 21 3.58pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not something that is intended to be discussed, no. It's not unusual to circulate controversial ideas with the intention of provoking a reaction and debate. What matters is what is actually the formal policy, and why and how it is administered.

It's also not unusual for those with the power to influence events but apparently not in this case.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 15 Dec 21 4.22pm

The Omicron Question - [Link]

A detailed and objective take on Omicron. Well worth reading.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 15 Dec 21 5.13pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

The Omicron Question - [Link]

A detailed and objective take on Omicron. Well worth reading.

Great stuff. An excellent blend of JBM and other sources

Main takeouts for me

1. To answer the 'I thought this was milder / less dangerous'
if you kill 20% less but you’re 20% more transmissible, because transmissions are exponential, you end up with many many more people infected, and hence many more deaths.

2. Only 60% of the worlds population is vaccinated

3. Everyone IS going to get it, like it or not

4. The infection rate is going to be rapid and aggressive but hopefully this means less time until it runs out of hosts

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 15 Dec 21 5.46pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Great stuff. An excellent blend of JBM and other sources

Main takeouts for me

1. To answer the 'I thought this was milder / less dangerous'
if you kill 20% less but you’re 20% more transmissible, because transmissions are exponential, you end up with many many more people infected, and hence many more deaths.

2. Only 60% of the worlds population is vaccinated

3. Everyone IS going to get it, like it or not

4. The infection rate is going to be rapid and aggressive but hopefully this means less time until it runs out of hosts

As I suggested a few pages back, this may ultimately turn out to be a blessing in disguise. It all depends on how we manage it.

If it spreads too quickly here, and over-powers the capacity of the NHS, then we could be in for a very rough few weeks and months. If we manage the spread sufficiently, keep the unvaccinated away from it as much as possible (Norway is requiring the unvaccinated to shield in place), and the NHS itself doesn't suffer too many staff shortages, then we might be OK.

The biggest worry is in countries with low vaccination rates. They could easily suffer a considerable loss of life. Not only that, they are the places where new variants are most likely to emerge, so who knows what could hit us again before it's all over.

Getting everyone vaccinated has to be the biggest priority.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 15 Dec 21 10.33pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Great stuff. An excellent blend of JBM and other sources

Main takeouts for me

1. To answer the 'I thought this was milder / less dangerous'
if you kill 20% less but you’re 20% more transmissible, because transmissions are exponential, you end up with many many more people infected, and hence many more deaths.

2. Only 60% of the worlds population is vaccinated

3. Everyone IS going to get it, like it or not

4. The infection rate is going to be rapid and aggressive but hopefully this means less time until it runs out of hosts

Yes, that about sums it up! Another interesting read here [Link] on the rapid speed at which Omicron appears to multiply (faster in bronchus than lung), how quickly people are infectious etc. Looks like it's going to burn its way through the population exceptionally fast, but that there are 'some' signs that it may cause fewer issues (though Delta had slower growth in the lungs too so who knows).

It's interesting how distinct it is from Delta. That opens up the possibility (not spoken about much) that if/when it dies back down Delta may pop back up again (though that's not as worrying a prospect as it once was). Time will tell of course. Can only hope for the best over the next month or two. The path is set!


 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 15 Dec 21 11.41pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Jeez, don’t panic Mr Mannering!

Why don’t we just wait and see what happens. Never heard so much hyperbolic bollocks in my life.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 16 Dec 21 12.49am

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Jeez, don’t panic Mr Mannering!

Why don’t we just wait and see what happens. Never heard so much hyperbolic bollocks in my life.

Well in fairness we've heard both extremes. An 'its mild and the end of the pandemic!' and 'millions are going to get ill at the same time hence problems due to that'. The above two links are a very reasonable reading of the situation. I'd say that take down is that it appears to be so contagious that there's no pause button that will work on this one anyway.

Edited by BlueJay (16 Dec 2021 12.50am)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 16 Dec 21 1.19am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Well in fairness we've heard both extremes. An 'its mild and the end of the pandemic!' and 'millions are going to get ill at the same time hence problems due to that'. The above two links are a very reasonable reading of the situation. I'd say that take down is that it appears to be so contagious that there's no pause button that will work on this one anyway.

Edited by BlueJay (16 Dec 2021 12.50am)

Doesn't that make you even a tiny bit suspicious?

I obviously wouldn't know but you'd think it would be incremental.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 16 Dec 21 1.37am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Doesn't that make you even a tiny bit suspicious?

I obviously wouldn't know but you'd think it would be incremental.

Oops I meant the take away.

I'm not sure what you mean in terms of being suspicious? As in to scare people into accepting another lockdown? If that does happen, it will come too late to achieve anything specifically due to how contagious it appears to be. It would be very hard to slow it down, and would re-emerge very fast even if we did.

It looks like this variant may be contagious within a day or being exposed to it, which would explain an especially fast spread and the inability to do much about it. Not saying that their projections are dead on, but I expect a good number of us will get it so they'll soon add up.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 16 Dec 21 1.49am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Oops I meant the take away.

I'm not sure what you mean in terms of being suspicious? As in to scare people into accepting another lockdown? If that does happen, it will come too late to achieve anything specifically due to how contagious it appears to be. It would be very hard to slow it down, and would re-emerge very fast even if we did.

It looks like this variant may be contagious within a day or being exposed to it, which would explain an especially fast spread and the inability to do much about it. Not saying that their projections are dead on, but I expect a good number of us will get it so they'll soon add up.

So no suspicion then? Ok.

Well the suspicion, at least on my part, comes on the timing and the amount of variance and contagion potential. The 'whys' could be multifold, from continued societal engineering into accepting digital control systems to continued wealth transfer and no doubt other motivations.

Obviously speculation but there you go.

 


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