Indeed, far easier for him to just dismiss it. That type always prefer the reassuring lie to the inconvenience truth.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Who are the obvious exceptions.

I knew this NHS manager who would often make the point that foreign staff were excellent people. I agree, but as you and I know that isn't the point.

There are many excellent people all around the world. However, that doesn't mean that being a nice person gives you the right to settle in my homeland and have the birthrights our ancestors fought and died for.

Come visit, in controlled situations come study and teach and even work....but once your stay is up leave.

But you can't come here and turn my culture and history into the communist, 'we are the world'. Once a critical mass is reached there is no longer integration, which itself only ever properly works on 1 in 3.

Of course we all know that our politicians and certain ethnicities have ensured that this is already done.....it's not even in the balance.

However, the crime, and the consequences that flow from that crime won't be forgiven and people like us will point the finger at the people responsible.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2023 11.52am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

You and your partner in crime love an ad hominem don’t you?

The source I was referring to was the one posting on Twitter “stats for lefties”. Something I am surprised that either of you would want to be associated with.

I had never heard of them. Had you? It seems this is actually a podcast produced by a sole contributor backed up by Twitter posts. He doesn’t produce his own data but references others, in this case something from “moreincommon.org” who I also had not heard of but who seem to have more provenance. Neither though are well known pollsters. Nor have the stats been confirmed by other surveys.

So I would not trust them, and most certainly wouldn’t reference them. I think they are worthless on their own.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

The Christian DR in America are anti Zionist not anti semitic.

They are not the same thing.....there are also plenty of Jews in Israel who are anti Zionist as well....though like the Christian DR they are a minority.

Once again, the Christian DR is not a large movement, whereas the main body of Christians in America is very pro Israel in exactly the fashion Trump is......and for better or worse the majority of the GOP.

To think otherwise is to believe in alternate realities.

As for using an ADL link....what a joke, from the guy who talks about biased sources.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2023 5.57pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

As you know, we don't agree on everything. But try as I might I cant fault this post!

The stats may be unreliable but, as you say, they identify a trend. That is, that Israel's unwavering support in the West is not infinite. Those who tend to vote currently hold sway; but not forever. And images of dead innocent Palestinian kids are unlikely to assist.

The US Cristian right are genuine (as opposed to ironic) creationists so don't except any real change there. But it is the gradual ebbing of support from everyone else who votes that will hurt Israel long term.

Like I said, Hamas have played this one ruthlessly well. I can only see an even less pleasant and drawn out outcome.

So what's new?