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aquickgame2 Flag Beni = summer,Caribbean = winter 05 Sep 18 9.43am Send a Private Message to aquickgame2 Add aquickgame2 as a friend

Originally posted by Beastie

Believe it or not, there are more than 1-200 people in that ground who are interested in lifting the atmosphere.


Very true,so take over more of block B,then move over to Block C,then keep going...will take a few years.By that time, maybe the new stand will be built and hey ho they can get all of the LH and be the pride of the Premier League.

HF will still be there supporting the team on the pitch...oh yea the team....forgotten about them...silly me !!!!!

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Sep 18 9.43am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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1,700 signatures now.

 


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Bangell Flag Oxford 05 Sep 18 9.49am Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

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1,700 signatures now.

I know online petitions are very hip, but that's so vague as to be pointless

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Sep 18 9.56am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I’m 23 and opposed to it. And that’s not opposed to the vision, I think the end goal that they want would be f***ing amazing at Selhurst. I’m opposed to the idea that they are able to implement it without consent from the people who’s seats they want.

The minute that happens, you are literally telling supporters of all generations that effectively, unless you bang a drum and sing loud, your support is less valued. That can’t be right. It just can’t be, however old you are.

They have to get consent, and non influenced/pressurised consent at that.

If you look at the HF’s full mock up of a suggested CPFC brochure you’ll see after a complete reset of Holmesdale seating there would be a first stage of priority for long term season ticket holders. This would include all of those in E block or any who’ve been there for 23 years. They’d have the whole stand to choose from, apart from where the HF would be, unless this all inclusive singing section includes the 1st stage, but then they’d have to stand and be able to stand the drum and singing which I doubt.

There’d then be 5 further stages of seat selection. Essentially you’re looking at the JCL Johnny Come Lately’s ending up in seats they’d either rather not have or have to put up with if they want to stay in the lower Holmesdale. The alternative is the Arfur.

Some of the proposals of block shifts would affect me or my view considerably but I’d be willing to accept it because as someone so perfectly put this, sometimes it’s about what you can do for your club rather than what the club (your club, our club) can do for you or what you expect from it.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Sep 18 9.59am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Bangell

I know online petitions are very hip, but that's so vague as to be pointless

The point it’s making is Parish to work with them to bring them back rather than the p1ss poor blame game club statement. Whatever solution is found, returning to block b for 1 season if needs be which is probably the only solution considering their proposal, do fvck it something compared to absolutely nothing.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Sep 18 10.07am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I keep hearing people bring this up. That argument only holds weight on a legal basis. It doesn’t all of a sudden make it right.

If you can get Block E to all buy into the vision and willingly move of their own accord, then amazing. Let’s get it done ASAP.

Stirring up a divisive frenzy & damaging the atmosphere you’re pitching in the first place, intentionally or not, because your’re not getting your way. I just can’t get behind it. Palace fans have been disillusioned for all sorts of reasons probably more times than they can count. Majority don’t seek to take their anger out on the club.

The holding back of season tickets, little bits of verbal rumours and leaked information during phone calls to the box office, Chinese whispers on social media and outrage on Parish’s twitter has led to the divisive situation. The HF have added to that by dispersing around the ground but in a way, what do you expect? Parish has just handled it appallingly badly, bottled it, left it so they have to accept it and shut up and we carry on as if nothing ever happened or was ever discussed, until one day the main stand might get finished in who knows how many years.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (05 Sep 2018 10.30am)

 


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Mstrobez Flag 05 Sep 18 10.08am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

If you look at the HF’s full mock up of a suggested CPFC brochure you’ll see after a complete reset of Holmesdale seating there would be a first stage of priority for long term season ticket holders. This would include all of those in E block or any who’ve been there for 23 years. They’d have the whole stand to choose from, apart from where the HF would be, unless this all inclusive singing section includes the 1st stage, but then they’d have to stand and be able to stand the drum and singing which I doubt.

There’d then be 5 further stages of seat selection. Essentially you’re looking at the JCL Johnny Come Lately’s ending up in seats they’d either rather not have or have to put up with if they want to stay in the lower Holmesdale. The alternative is the Arfur.

Some of the proposals of block shifts would affect me or my view considerably but I’d be willing to accept it because as someone so perfectly put this, sometimes it’s about what you can do for your club rather than what the club (your club, our club) can do for you or what you expect from it.

And if you don’t get your way when you want it, you walk? So tell me, Rudi, in what way is the HF currently acting with the “what you can do for your club not what the club can do for you” philosophy?

This is the very problem with this whole saga. It’s 6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other. And it’s become something thay directly undermines the original (good natured) intention.

That’s the issue I take, the failure in foresight. That’s on the HF. I’m not denying Parish has handled this poorly. But with all the facts presented in front of us, with a statement from either side. The HF have to take at least 50% responsibility for the current s*** show.

You can’t have it both ways.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Sep 18 10.13am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

There are a lot of differing view on the HF and people are entitled to a view. It is clear the club is taking all the supporters into account, not everyone wants to stand, sing and wave a banner, nor should they be made to.
The bottom line is the crowd respond to the performance of the pitch, if we are playing well the crowd is buzzing, if we are not it’s quiet. All this about the HF wanting to move has no bearing on the teams performance, which is what most supporters are concerned about.

If our atmosphere remains dead then we could test this out if we’re in another one of our April and May relegation battles. That’ll settle it. If we get relegated the HF can have half of block E, the back of block E really won’t be able to see, the main stand mightvget put on hold and we can return to being that middle class club and 13,000 supporters that accepts disappointment but tuts at those noisy twerps who’ve now taken over the front and Parish only cares about cutting the club’s cloth.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Sep 18 10.16am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Username

I don't think anyone here, or even at the club, disagrees with the idea.

The problem is that right now (and back in March) it's almost impossible to do it properly, without massive disruption.

I'm all for a singing section when we have a new main stand and people can move to other good seats and there is room to juggle things about. The club rightly pointed that out as the most obvious opportunity.

I still haven't read anything from the HF that makes me think their action was anything other than selfish.

I think the massive disruption is more ‘a lot of work for club officials.’ If those 6 stages of seat selection happened the only real disruption or damage to views of supporters would be the Johnny Come Lately’s. Once you had all Pre Prem season ticket holders selected their tickets I highly doubt there’d be many unhappy with what they have.

Parish and whoever don’t want to bother.

 


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Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Sep 18 10.19am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

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1,200 now. 100 an hour.

So where on the link do I sign? Sorry am a technophobe but cant find "sign this petition" anywhere

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Sep 18 10.25am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Well said becky! My grandfather played for Palace a couple of times as an amateur back in 1910, my mother and her brother supported them and then when my mother wed my father it became eight because my dad had five brothers and later most of the male in laws joined the throng. I joined them when I was taken to a game at six years old in 1946 and have loved and supported Crystal Palace ever since. And before any smart arse says I don't go to matches anymore because I relocated to Cornwall I was a season ticket holder, along with my dad and sister for more years than I can remember. I still watch every game that's streamed where I can and still after all these years get emotionally involved. It doesn't make me better fan than anyone else but that is what it is.

In conclusion I am right behind the club in this sorry saga.The HF statement might be well written but they are only words. Their actions, however, in not carrying on are harming the club I love and are tantamount to blackmail to try and get their own way. So I would urge Mr Parrish to stand firm because once you've paid the Danegeld you never get rid of the Dane. By all means negotiate and try and resolve the situation amicably but NOT while the HF withdraw to try and force the issue.

This is part of an interesting side to this.

Some say they’re holding club to ransom, harming the club

Others say some fans don’t sing etc, fair enough

Then you get some fans who’ll add or also say that the atmosphere doesn’t affect the team whatsoever

Then you’ll get children with their parents who want to attend because of the atmosphere

You’ll also have the here and now youth generate who have been drawn to Palace partly because of the passion

Go full circle and you’ll have supporters saying just because they sit still and silent they’ no less passionate than those who sing all game.

And there we have the problems that seating has brought and with a bit of effort and cooperation between all of us we could not only keep our unique support that is a pride and pull for so many but make it even bigger, better, and even more of a pull. Or we don’t and just go back to being a nice little ordinary middle class club that claps at goals like Watford or Fulham.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Sep 18 10.26am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by bicycle repair man

I agree wirh every word of this post.
The HF should display a bit more maturity and patience.
In a couple of seasons they will be able to stand and jump about waving their flags to their heart's content,without disrespecting fellow Palace fans by forcing them from their regular seats.
I witnessed their display after the Sunderland gane,it was disgusting.

What if some in E block still can’t leave that precious seat?

 


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