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 Penge Eagle  Beckenham 02 Aug 18 8.24pm |
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The 2016 Casey report highlights some of the problems. Nobody comes out of this looking good. 'In reference to what she found in some predominantly Muslim areas, Casey wrote: “I’ve met far too many women who are suffering from the effects of misogyny and domestic abuse, women being subjugated by their husbands and extended families. Often, the victims are foreign-born brides brought to Britain via arranged marriages. They have poor English, little education, low confidence, and are reliant on their husbands for their income and immigration status. They don’t know about their rights, or how to access support, and struggle to prepare their children effectively for school. A failure to talk about all this only leaves the ground open for the far right on one side and Islamist extremists on the other.”' She is right. Nobody wants to talk about it, not even people on here. Edited by Penge Eagle (02 Aug 2018 8.27pm)
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 02 Aug 18 9.01pm |
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when you consistently import Brides with little or no English language skills, you reinforce the ghetto mentality. when these Brides have kids, what language will the kids be learning at home ? and then in the playground at Bradford, what language will all the kids be hearing ? brewing up a Storm for the future.
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| Mapletree Croydon 02 Aug 18 9.43pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
when you consistently import Brides with little or no English language skills, you reinforce the ghetto mentality. when these Brides have kids, what language will the kids be learning at home ? and then in the playground at Bradford, what language will all the kids be hearing ? brewing up a Storm for the future. Well, I can answer that one My mate was born and brought up in Bradford. His mum speaks zero English, even though he is over 40! He's as English as they come. So South London in fact that he married a Pole.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 02 Aug 18 11.10pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Well, I can answer that one My mate was born and brought up in Bradford. His mum speaks zero English, even though he is over 40! He's as English as they come. So South London in fact that he married a Pole. ok good. Multiculturalism is lots of kids growing up with lots of DIFFERENT language in their heads. Polish, Chinese whatever. All fine and dandy. Plus bilingualism gives them all perfect English. what about a ghetto where its all the same language ? the 7/7 bombers all had perfect English....but they had a 'them and us' mentality towards everybody in British Society. And they likely had few or no English friends ? if integration is good, then why the white flight out of certain areas ? no sense of 'them and us' = no organised rape gangs = no appearance of a Tommy Robinson. i agree Tommy is offensive ( to progressive SocLib lefties ) , but offensive is the rape gang problem and its cover-up for 20 years. Edited by PalazioVecchio (03 Aug 2018 12.02am)
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| Stirlingsays 03 Aug 18 3.04am |
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Just for all those on this thread who defended this conviction. Below is an image showing the flaws in the sentence. Robinson did break his suspension, however he was the victim of prosecution by a....in my view a biased judge. The views of the 'secret barrister' on this show the depth of middle class contempt for 'gammon' by the lefty middle class who make up the judiciary.
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Attachment: | Badger11 Beckenham 03 Aug 18 9.25am |
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One of the flaws of our legal system is that the judiciary refuse to publish centralised data on judges decisions being overturned. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of this case judges have to follow the rules. Judges who are overturned on appeal are largely but not solely incompetent and have made mistakes. Why then is there no league table of judges who are never overturned against those who are. Good luck finding that data. The only way you could get it is to trawl through indivudual appeal decisions.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 03 Aug 18 12.15pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
ok good. Multiculturalism is lots of kids growing up with lots of DIFFERENT language in their heads. Polish, Chinese whatever. All fine and dandy. Plus bilingualism gives them all perfect English. what about a ghetto where its all the same language ? the 7/7 bombers all had perfect English....but they had a 'them and us' mentality towards everybody in British Society. And they likely had few or no English friends ? if integration is good, then why the white flight out of certain areas ? no sense of 'them and us' = no organised rape gangs = no appearance of a Tommy Robinson. i agree Tommy is offensive ( to progressive SocLib lefties ) , but offensive is the rape gang problem and its cover-up for 20 years. Edited by PalazioVecchio (03 Aug 2018 12.02am) Offensive is the fact that still no one has provided any evidence that’s particular ethnic minority is more likely to rape people than others, yet not only does the myth still get peddled, it goes unchallenged on Auntie Beeb when they interview Tommy supporters! Let’s talk about ghettos though. I work in Whitechapel, an area often cited as a ghetto. Asid from the fact that it isn’t, it is still an area of very real poverty, and has been seen the 16th century. In that period, it has always been an area of high crime and overcrowding. This was th case when the population was majority English, through when it was mainly Jewish, and now when it’s more diversified, but has a high Bangladeshi community. In other words, the ethnicity of the population changed little around the levels of crime. The poverty of the 19th century lead to the highest rates (Jack the ripper most infamously), and while crime rates are high for London, the levels have dropped significantly since good social housing has been put in place. If you’re looking at skin colour and language for the reason for crime, I’m afraid I have an uncomfortable fact for you: all races, and all nationalities commit crime. If you want to tackle it, look at Whitechapel as an example. Tackle poverty, not a particular culture.
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| Stirlingsays 03 Aug 18 1.00pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Offensive is the fact that still no one has provided any evidence that’s particular ethnic minority is more likely to rape people than others, yet not only does the myth still get peddled, it goes unchallenged on Auntie Beeb when they interview Tommy supporters! You are in complete denial. In fact it's views like this that cover for the obvious problem in these communities. We are talking about socially conservative communities. Issues like rape would be very under reported within them internally. This group has been the subject of complete supplicant actions by the likes of people obsessed with the fear of being accused of racism. Also it beggars belief that in a society ruled by lefty idealogs in our institutions that these racial statistics are easy to find, they aren't. The last statistics I could find were from 2012, which is way before the rape gang trials. We know that grooming gang rapes are a particularly racist event with the ethnicity of the girls being specifically chosen. However, just as we saw with these rape gangs there is an inclination not to get involved with anything like this. Then you get people like you with your 'nothing to see here'. Your party....I presume you are a Corbyn supporter has been the party that pushed out Sarah Champion for talking the truth on this issue, all for votes over ethics, and she now stands as an independent......and frankly it's a disgrace. Originally posted by serial thriller
Let’s talk about ghettos though. I work in Whitechapel, an area often cited as a ghetto. Asid from the fact that it isn’t, it is still an area of very real poverty, and has been seen the 16th century. In that period, it has always been an area of high crime and overcrowding. This was th case when the population was majority English, through when it was mainly Jewish, and now when it’s more diversified, but has a high Bangladeshi community. Evidence for these claims? The problem with claims like these are what gets reported as a crime.
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| Mapletree Croydon 03 Aug 18 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Just for all those on this thread who defended this conviction. Below is an image showing the flaws in the sentence. Robinson did break his suspension, however he was the victim of prosecution by a....in my view a biased judge. The views of the 'secret barrister' on this show the depth of middle class contempt for 'gammon' by the lefty middle class who make up the judiciary.
Yup, poor process However, save your contempt for the Judge until proper process has been followed. Let us see what the more considered outcome is. It may well prove to be the same.
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 03 Aug 18 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Offensive is the fact that still no one has provided any evidence that’s particular ethnic minority is more likely to rape people than others, yet not only does the myth still get peddled, it goes unchallenged on Auntie Beeb when they interview Tommy supporters! show me just one instance of a white british rape gang ( involving middle aged brothers, uncles, grandfathers, cousins etc ) all targetting any sort of young girls ? and targetting girls from a different ethnic group ? Or not even a white Polish rape gang ? good luck in finding that on google. rochdale/rotherham/oxford/Telford ? you in denial of the facts of the cases or just deluded ? Edited by PalazioVecchio (03 Aug 2018 2.46pm)
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 03 Aug 18 2.19pm |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Offensive is the fact that still no one has provided any evidence that’s particular ethnic minority is more likely to rape people than others, yet not only does the myth still get peddled, it goes unchallenged on Auntie Beeb when they interview Tommy supporters! How many times, it's not a myth! British-pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: 'It's very important we talk about it' [Link] In 2013, CEOP published a study and it showed that 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Aug 2018 2.26pm)
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| PalazioVecchio south pole 03 Aug 18 2.52pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
How many times, it's not a myth! British-pakistani researchers say 84% of grooming gang members are Asian: 'It's very important we talk about it' [Link] In 2013, CEOP published a study and it showed that 75 per cent of recorded Type 1 group abusers, who target victims based on their vulnerability, were Asian. The Office for National Statistics estimates that 7.5 per cent of the UK’s population are Asian. [Link] Edited by Penge Eagle (03 Aug 2018 2.26pm) i do not recall reading about parts of the UK besieged by Hindu Indians, Chinese nor Japanese rape gangs neither. And all the anti-semitism in Corbyn's Labour, yet i cannot find one newspaper report of a Jewish rape gang.
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