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 steeleye20  Croydon 13 Nov 18 12.43pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I always find it fascinating that socialists have zero grasp of the basic economics of supply and demand. Edited by Penge Eagle (13 Nov 2018 12.32pm) You are only making the case for staying as we are, in the EU.
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Pussay Patrol  13 Nov 18 12.58pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
EU workers down by 132,000 (a record fall). Wage growth fastest pace since 2008. Go figure! Edited by Penge Eagle (13 Nov 2018 12.14pm) So prices go up and businesses close?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 18 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
That's the democracy you hold so dear I hope we live in a democracy that we all hold dear. As Churchill said democracy is the worst form of government apart from all the others.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 18 1.17pm |
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Interesting economic news today. Wages up but so is unemployment. This seems to go against the CIPD report that employers are struggling to recruit people. As always with economics its a pic n mix picture depending on your political views.
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| dannyboy1978 13 Nov 18 1.38pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Why should I go away, don't you like debating? My wages went down immediately after the vote, to zero, as a direct result of the vote. You of course remember the vote was advisory and was extremely close. A stronger mandate would no doubt be helpful. Had there been overwhelming support for one course or the other this debate would be moot. Now that everything is going so well, and the effects of Brexit far clearer, what better time to again take the views of the people. Maybe even have a binding vote. After all, to say that the basis of Leave was unclear at the original advisory vote would be an understatement. Yes, this debate would have raged no matter which view had prevailed with such a minimal mandate. Especially as the younger generation demands its own say. Why wasn't the previous referendum accepted when the nation was asked in 1975? At that time the outcome was overwhelming wasn't it. Why demand this second referendum? And if we can have a second referendum why not a third? Or perhaps you are concerned that you won't get the outcome you desire. Will of the people? That is a real-time logic surely. The Will from two years ago is old news. Things move fast these days. Absolutely, so when we are out you can ask for another referendum. It might take you 40 + years though, not nice is it.
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| dannyboy1978 13 Nov 18 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So prices go up and businesses close? Why? People have more money so can afford the prices. But guess what !! We don't have huge housing demands with less imigration so even more money in our pockets.
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| Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 1.44pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Interesting economic news today. Wages up but so is unemployment. This seems to go against the CIPD report that employers are struggling to recruit people. As always with economics its a pic n mix picture depending on your political views. So is Wages up good or bad?
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| Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 18 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So is Wages up good or bad? As I said on the Khan thread I am all in favour of higher wages if you can afford it so yes it is a good thing.
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| Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 1.54pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As I said on the Khan thread I am all in favour of higher wages if you can afford it so yes it is a good thing. It doesn't work like that though, market forces determine rates, less people, perhaps Europeans you want gone? Higher costs, higher ticket prices?
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| Stuk Top half 13 Nov 18 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Why does a second vote worry you? Apparently we follow the will of the people. If that is still leave you get your way. If it is not you aren’t sticking to the rules. The proposal being put forward by those claiming it won't be another referendum (if it's not what's the point of asking for one) are designed to split one side's votes. "This would not be about re-running the 2016 referendum, but about asking people whether they want to go ahead with Brexit now that we know the deal that is actually available to us, whether we should leave without any deal at all or whether people on balance would rather stick with the deal we already have inside the European Union." Even if everyone voted the same way as originally the out vote would be split between exiting on current terms (which still aren't agreed, so that's daft) and exiting with no deal. Hey presto, it'll end up being prsenented as 48% stay to 20-30 odd % against the other two options. Remain then claiming they win.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 13 Nov 18 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So prices go up and businesses close? Prices might go up and they might not – it's up to the company to decide how it'll affect its business! There are loads of variables, such as the size of the business, the price rise might not affect demand or savings are made elsewhere in the business so no price rise. Again, this is all basic economics which I don't think you understand. The difference is when minimum wage is forced onto companies by government and they have no choice.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 13 Nov 18 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So is Wages up good or bad? Good for the working class. Bad for large corporations. Whose side are you on?
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