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Mapletree Croydon 13 Nov 18 9.26am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Will of the people? Yes please, I'll have what I voted for thank you very much. Do you honestly think we would have another vote if it was the other way around? NO. So go away and enjoy wages going up. Why should I go away, don't you like debating? My wages went down immediately after the vote, to zero, as a direct result of the vote. You of course remember the vote was advisory and was extremely close. A stronger mandate would no doubt be helpful. Had there been overwhelming support for one course or the other this debate would be moot. Now that everything is going so well, and the effects of Brexit far clearer, what better time to again take the views of the people. Maybe even have a binding vote. After all, to say that the basis of Leave was unclear at the original advisory vote would be an understatement. Yes, this debate would have raged no matter which view had prevailed with such a minimal mandate. Especially as the younger generation demands its own say. Why wasn't the previous referendum accepted when the nation was asked in 1975? At that time the outcome was overwhelming wasn't it. Why demand this second referendum? And if we can have a second referendum why not a third? Or perhaps you are concerned that you won't get the outcome you desire. Will of the people? That is a real-time logic surely. The Will from two years ago is old news. Things move fast these days.
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Croydon 13 Nov 18 9.26am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Will of the people? Yes please, I'll have what I voted for thank you very much.

Do you honestly think we would have another vote if it was the other way around?
NO.

So go away and enjoy wages going up.

Why should I go away, don't you like debating?

My wages went down immediately after the vote, to zero, as a direct result of the vote.

You of course remember the vote was advisory and was extremely close. A stronger mandate would no doubt be helpful. Had there been overwhelming support for one course or the other this debate would be moot.

Now that everything is going so well, and the effects of Brexit far clearer, what better time to again take the views of the people. Maybe even have a binding vote.

After all, to say that the basis of Leave was unclear at the original advisory vote would be an understatement.

Yes, this debate would have raged no matter which view had prevailed with such a minimal mandate. Especially as the younger generation demands its own say.

Why wasn't the previous referendum accepted when the nation was asked in 1975? At that time the outcome was overwhelming wasn't it. Why demand this second referendum? And if we can have a second referendum why not a third? Or perhaps you are concerned that you won't get the outcome you desire. Will of the people? That is a real-time logic surely. The Will from two years ago is old news. Things move fast these days.

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Stirlingsays 13 Nov 18 9.29am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Be a Tax haven? That's regressive I would have thought there would be a post brexit blueprint about where we go and where we see our economy in 1, 5 and 10 years, but there's nothing. Just chaos. And people such as yourself who just hold out hope that everything will be alright on the night Regressive? Depends upon how successful it is.....The EU is ripe for competition as its a lumbering anti competitive mess. As for blueprints aren't you being a bit naive here? You can look at different projections released by different bodies both for and against Brexit. But you are looking at economics and listening to economists you can find the predictions you want to find.....it's like a weather forecast....the further out you go the less predictable it is. Obviously a lot depends upon the government you have and the path they forge....For example, the difference between Foot and Thatcher economically was night and day. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2018 9.32am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Nov 18 9.29am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Be a Tax haven? That's regressive

I would have thought there would be a post brexit blueprint about where we go and where we see our economy in 1, 5 and 10 years, but there's nothing. Just chaos. And people such as yourself who just hold out hope that everything will be alright on the night

Regressive? Depends upon how successful it is.....The EU is ripe for competition as its a lumbering anti competitive mess.

As for blueprints aren't you being a bit naive here? You can look at different projections released by different bodies both for and against Brexit.

But you are looking at economics and listening to economists you can find the predictions you want to find.....it's like a weather forecast....the further out you go the less predictable it is.

Obviously a lot depends upon the government you have and the path they forge....For example, the difference between Foot and Thatcher economically was night and day.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2018 9.32am)

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Nov 18 9.32am
Originally posted by steeleye20 Could almost be reading the labour manifesto (!) Really well they will have to get rid of Jeremy before I consider voting Labour. Sadly the Tories don't thrill me either and to make matters worse the Monster Raving Loony Party don't put up a candidate around my way so I am not sure who I will be voting for next time. One more point
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Beckenham 13 Nov 18 9.32am

Originally posted by steeleye20

Could almost be reading the labour manifesto (!)

Really well they will have to get rid of Jeremy before I consider voting Labour. Sadly the Tories don't thrill me either and to make matters worse the Monster Raving Loony Party don't put up a candidate around my way so I am not sure who I will be voting for next time.

One more point

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Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 10.14am
Originally posted by Badger11 Really well they will have to get rid of Jeremy before I consider voting Labour. Sadly the Tories don't thrill me either and to make matters worse the Monster Raving Loony Party don't put up a candidate around my way so I am not sure who I will be voting for next time. That's the democracy you hold so dear Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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13 Nov 18 10.14am

Originally posted by Badger11

That's the democracy you hold so dear

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Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 10.20am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Regressive? Depends upon how successful it is.....The EU is ripe for competition as its a lumbering anti competitive mess. As for blueprints aren't you being a bit naive here? You can look at different projections released by different bodies both for and against Brexit. But you are looking at economics and listening to economists you can find the predictions you want to find.....it's like a weather forecast....the further out you go the less predictable it is. Obviously a lot depends upon the government you have and the path they forge....For example, the difference between Foot and Thatcher economically was night and day. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2018 9.32am) Countries that are tax havens are usually small nations and principalities that can't compete with bigger countries with large manufacturing, agriculture sectors. I suppose when all those sectors in the UK go to rats*** that could be the only option You really are clutching at straws Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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13 Nov 18 10.20am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Regressive? Depends upon how successful it is.....The EU is ripe for competition as its a lumbering anti competitive mess.

As for blueprints aren't you being a bit naive here? You can look at different projections released by different bodies both for and against Brexit.

But you are looking at economics and listening to economists you can find the predictions you want to find.....it's like a weather forecast....the further out you go the less predictable it is.

Obviously a lot depends upon the government you have and the path they forge....For example, the difference between Foot and Thatcher economically was night and day.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2018 9.32am)

Countries that are tax havens are usually small nations and principalities that can't compete with bigger countries with large manufacturing, agriculture sectors. I suppose when all those sectors in the UK go to rats*** that could be the only option

You really are clutching at straws

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 13 Nov 18 10.37am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol Countries that are tax havens are usually small nations and principalities that can't compete with bigger countries with large manufacturing, agriculture sectors. I suppose when all those sectors in the UK go to rats* that could be the only option You really are clutching at straws Well actually due to tax secretly laws some consider countries like the US and Germany as types of tax havens.....We are also a type of tax haven and are listed in some reports. So as usual PP your knowledge on these areas are only half informed. In reality we would just be accelerating and enlarging upon what we already do and making it official.......and on a scale which would significantly concern the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2018 11.00am) Attachment**: taxhaven.JPG (25.64Kb) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Nov 18 10.37am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

You really are clutching at straws

Well actually due to tax secretly laws some consider countries like the US and Germany as types of tax havens.....We are also a type of tax haven and are listed in some reports.

So as usual PP your knowledge on these areas are only half informed.

In reality we would just be accelerating and enlarging upon what we already do and making it official.......and on a scale which would significantly concern the EU.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Nov 2018 11.00am)

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Pussay Patrol 13 Nov 18 10.50am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well actually due to tax secretly laws some consider countries like the US and Germany as types of tax havens.....We are also a type of tax haven and are listed in some reports. So has usual PP your knowledge on these areas are only half informed. In reality we would just be accelerating and enlarging upon what we already do and making it official.......and on a scale which would significantly concern the EU. You're hanging your hat on this, not a word about manufacturing or other sectors and how brexit will improve this No doubt you'll make something up about that Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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13 Nov 18 10.50am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well actually due to tax secretly laws some consider countries like the US and Germany as types of tax havens.....We are also a type of tax haven and are listed in some reports.

So has usual PP your knowledge on these areas are only half informed.

In reality we would just be accelerating and enlarging upon what we already do and making it official.......and on a scale which would significantly concern the EU.

You're hanging your hat on this, not a word about manufacturing or other sectors and how brexit will improve this

No doubt you'll make something up about that

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 13 Nov 18 10.58am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol You're hanging your hat on this, not a word about manufacturing or other sectors and how brexit will improve this No doubt you'll make something up about that What have I made up PP? Sounds like you're clutching at straws my man. As I said, a no deal isn't my first choice but if the EU want a 'punishment' Brexit on poor terms then we should hit them where they are weak. Manufacturing would continue and after being hit during an adjustment it would improve due to new trade deals with multiple countries who are just lining up. As I said, a negotiated Brexit is the preferred option.....but I'm not wishing for failure...which seems to be the attitude I'm getting from you. None of us know how Brexit will go.....give it ten years and see where the cards lay.....If the EU is even there then...in its present shakey form. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Nov 18 10.58am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

You're hanging your hat on this, not a word about manufacturing or other sectors and how brexit will improve this

No doubt you'll make something up about that

What have I made up PP? Sounds like you're clutching at straws my man.

As I said, a no deal isn't my first choice but if the EU want a 'punishment' Brexit on poor terms then we should hit them where they are weak.

Manufacturing would continue and after being hit during an adjustment it would improve due to new trade deals with multiple countries who are just lining up.

As I said, a negotiated Brexit is the preferred option.....but I'm not wishing for failure...which seems to be the attitude I'm getting from you.

None of us know how Brexit will go.....give it ten years and see where the cards lay.....If the EU is even there then...in its present shakey form.

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Midlands Eagle 13 Nov 18 11.16am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well actually due to tax secrecy laws some consider countries like the US and Germany as types of tax havens.....We are also a type of tax haven and are listed in some reports. Isn't Crystal Palace effectively owned in the tax haven of Delaware?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well actually due to tax secrecy laws some consider countries like the US and Germany as types of tax havens.....We are also a type of tax haven and are listed in some reports.

Isn't Crystal Palace effectively owned in the tax haven of Delaware?

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 13 Nov 18 11.59am
EU workers down by 132,000 (a record fall). Wage growth fastest pace since 2008. Go figure! Edited by Penge Eagle (13 Nov 2018 12.14pm)
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Beckenham 13 Nov 18 11.59am

EU workers down by 132,000 (a record fall).

Wage growth fastest pace since 2008.

Go figure!

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steeleye20 Croydon 13 Nov 18 12.17pm
Originally posted by Penge Eagle EU workers down by 132,000 (a record fall). Wage growth fastest pace since 2008. Go figure! Edited by Penge Eagle (13 Nov 2018 12.14pm) Figure? We are in the EU with freedom of movement.
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Croydon 13 Nov 18 12.17pm

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

EU workers down by 132,000 (a record fall).

Wage growth fastest pace since 2008.

Go figure!

Edited by Penge Eagle (13 Nov 2018 12.14pm)

Figure?

We are in the EU with freedom of movement.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 13 Nov 18 12.31pm
I always find it fascinating that socialists have zero grasp of the basic economics of supply and demand. Edited by Penge Eagle (13 Nov 2018 12.32pm)
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Beckenham 13 Nov 18 12.31pm

I always find it fascinating that socialists have zero grasp of the basic economics of supply and demand.

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