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 Stirlingsays  07 Nov 18 2.26pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
“We need a Europe which defends itself better alone, without just depending on the United States, in a more sovereign manner.” The idea that you are saying, deviously as usual, that Europe would build an army to counter the USA, is just absurd. Try looking things up before you reply to posts, not after.......... Deviously?? I mean, it's right there in simple language. He said, that Europe needs to separate itself militarily from the US by creating an Army that excludes them. He said that Europe needs to protect itself militarily from the US and others. I think when when someone makes a plain statement like Macron has and you find yourself engaged with someone suggesting that the repeating of his words is 'devious'....I'm just beyond bothering.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 Nov 18 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Deviously?? I mean, it's right there in simple language. He said, that Europe needs to separate itself militarily from the US by creating an Army that excludes them. He said that Europe needs to protect itself militarily from the US and others. I think when when someone makes a plain statement like Macron has and you find yourself engaged with someone suggesting that the repeating of his words is 'devious'....I'm just beyond bothering. You are devious, you are saying that a European army is being built to counter a USA threat. There is no military threat from the USA and Macron and his aides are at pains to make that clear. However Trump is certainly not to be trusted and Europe has to be strong enough to look after itself, you can see Macron's anxiety.
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Pussay Patrol  07 Nov 18 3.03pm |
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You could argue the us are a threat since Trump is stoking up tensions and is a threat to international relations
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| Stirlingsays 07 Nov 18 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
You are devious, you are saying that a European army is being built to counter a USA threat. There is no military threat from the USA and Macron and his aides are at pains to make that clear. However Trump is certainly not to be trusted and Europe has to be strong enough to look after itself, you can see Macron's anxiety. No of course there is no frigging military threat from the USA. Macron explicitly said we need to 'protect' Europe from countries including the US.....You can't wash that away with interpretation and lies like calling me 'devious'. As for the protection of Europe.....that's called f***ing NATO......The US hasn't withdrawn from that so the whole f***ing exercise is just further proof that the left were liars or stupid or ignorant when they....repeatedly, stated that an EU army was a fantasy. Well....as we see....for important people at the top of the EU....those who want to use authoritarianism to cement their infrastructures into power.....it's no fantasy....it's just a matter of time. The use of Trump's name is purely for the slow witted. He's around for what......at most, six years?.....how long would an EU army be around for? f*** the EU. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Nov 2018 3.05pm)
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| Stirlingsays 07 Nov 18 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
You could argue the us are a threat since Trump is stoking up tensions and is a threat to international relations
Oh right...sorry none....Oh and by the way....who exactly was it who wanted air zones around Syria to stop Russian planes? The Democrat Hillery Clinton......Who opposed it? What military tensions are you referring to that Trump's responsible for? Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Nov 2018 3.21pm)
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 Hrolf The Ganger 07 Nov 18 3.14pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
You could argue the us are a threat since Trump is stoking up tensions and is a threat to international relations You could if you were a dimwit.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 07 Nov 18 3.19pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
“We need a Europe which defends itself better alone, without just depending on the United States, in a more sovereign manner.” The idea that you are saying, deviously as usual, that Europe would build an army to counter the USA, is just absurd. Try looking things up before you reply to posts, not after.......... What good is a European army for defence? The best defence for Europe is the nuclear deterrent.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 07 Nov 18 4.25pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You could if you were a dimwit. Trump is not and should not be someone we just trust, anything we sign up to with him he may just walk away any time he wants. That's what his record shows, and his daily egotistical paranoia is concerning.
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| .TUX. 07 Nov 18 4.58pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Trump is not and should not be someone we just trust, anything we sign up to with him he may just walk away any time he wants. That's what his record shows, and his daily egotistical paranoia is concerning. No politician should ever be trusted but if he does manage break The Fed then he'll have done more than pretty much any politician in the history of this pathetic charade.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 10 Nov 18 10.23am |
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Mr Johnson, who voted to remain in the EU in the 2016 referendum, stood down as Theresa May's prospective deal with Brussels was being presented to Cabinet ministers. Next March, under Mrs May's proposals, the UK will lose control of its interests in the EU. Most importantly, its alignment and membership of the single market and customs union will be subject to the European Courts of Justice, the ECJ. This is the 'vassalage' to which Johnson is referring, and it goes a lot deeper. Basically the UK has to accept anything the ECJ direct and that is it, not as at present with the veto and EU membership. Not only is the UK giving up control of its own destiny in Europe to the EU it is also paying for the privilege. If the ECJ rule that EU fishermen may fish in our waters then that is what will happen, so much for sovereignity. You may, however, in a couple of years, find it is marginally more difficult, or marginally easier, to get an emergency plumber.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 10 Nov 18 12.08pm |
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I have a horrible feeling that Mrs May is selling us down the river and we will end up with a deal that everyone hates. In that case i will hold her to her word No deal is better.... What doesn't make sense to me is the Irish backstop. If I understand correctly she will try to implement this because we need more time to agree a solution with the EU. This is just rubbish, if she said we have a solution to the Irish border but it will take 6 months to implement, because it involves technology and rule changes etc, I would probably agree. The point being the solution is agreed and it is an implementation delay. However if we don't have a solution now when the pressure is on both side why will we have one when the pressure is off. This smacks of us accepting EU control on the never never. Edited by Badger11 (10 Nov 2018 12.09pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 10 Nov 18 12.31pm |
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Jo Johnson: it would be travesty not to have second Brexit vote. Ex-transport minister says leave campaign made fantasy promises that have been shown up as undeliverable Not only applies to brexit, but practically any other project emanating from Westminster you could think of. The scale of their incompetence is only matched by the huge sums they pour into projects that had never been thought out properly in the first place.
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