These are the sorts of things doing the Wassap circuits (see attached)
Israel won't stop until Gaza is levelled and the Palestinians gone.

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I disengage, I turn the page.

Interesting stats although reliable?

I struggle to see how it is possible to support both sides!

Meanwhile, if they asked today which side you have sympathy for Israel or Palestine (not Hamas) the stats would overwhelmingly support the latter.

Hamas have played a blinder. An act of barbarity with few modern equals on the sole democracy in the region where they have treated the lives of their own people as little more than collateral and dispensable. They knew they would be roundly attacked and made sure everyone knew everything they did.

They also knew how Israel HAD to react and that, as the death toll of innocents escalated, their international support would ebb away.

This can only end with a garrison presence in Gaza and an endless guerrilla war that will make northern Ireland look like a tea party. As we saw in Ulster, ignorance will inform international pressure and Israel's effective friends will be restricted to the American Christian right and the Jewish diaspora.

The only solution I can think of is the ultimate poison challis of handing over security to a UN peace keeping force, ideally of largely Muslim extraction. Sadly Israel would never allow that (as we didn't in Ireland).

There is additional trouble likely from neighbouring countries and aligned anti-Israel groups.. Lebanon and Hezbollah, as an example.
Then there's the oil-producing Arabs,....

I disengage, I turn the page.

Britain vetoed the vote today too - just to copperfasten American lackey status. Well done - totally necessary. Let's bring sh1t on ourselves because Jews fund the US. Israel would do what they like regardless of the UN - just like everyone does. Pointless and self harming. The US is becoming more of a enemy than an ally these days. Arab states buy most of our defence output. It's not exactly hard to see the outcome of this, yet too hard for our politicians.
All in all, the US veto was enough and the UK support is not worth the internal trouble and international reputational damage.

Red and Blue Army!

Regarding the polling source....the name was right there, it would have taken someone two seconds in google to find it instead of typing the usual dross.

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As for thinking that the Christian right don't support Israel! Just how out of touch does someone have to be to think that.....oh I know, the same person who thought that Mitt Romney had a good chance of taking over the GOP after the 2020 election.

In fact the only thing that I can remember this guy getting right was that the Democrats were going to try to put Trump in jail like all banana republics do.

It's so batsh1t crazy of course...that I couldn't believe they would try it.... and probably means they are going to lose in 2024 unless they can swing it again.

The very thing they feared they literally ensured happened.

As for Gab, that's the younger DR Christian right, which is very much a minority. The vast majority of Christians in America are old boomers or Gen X and very much non political normies or Trump fans.

And I hardly need to remind anyone that Trump....the guy progressives call Hitler most of the time.....is very much a fan of the fiddlers on the roof.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Dec 2023 9.10pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

After all this time how can you expect the doubter of the source to either read anything carefully or check before posting the usual drivel.

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.