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eaglesdare 18 Jun 23 3.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Their only agenda is to do their best for their patients. Attempting to discredit some of the most ethical people among us is nothing short of a disgrace. But you have litterally done this to the Professional experts. Just because they did not fit your narrative or propaganda.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 23 3.31pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I dont "describe" them as false and inaccurate statements. They are false and inaccurate statements end of. I have given you proof from fact checkers. Fact checkers which you swear by but when a fact checker checks somthing you don't like all of a sudden it's called into question. If you can't agree that with the fact checkers here then all your fact checking material you have provided previously is completely called into question. A simple I was wrong and Biden made the false statements is all that is needed here from you. When the day dawns that you make a statement here that your opinion about vaccines was wrong I might reconsider things. My opinion is that Biden's words weren't "false and inaccurate". They were careless and nuanced.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 23 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
But you have litterally done this to the Professional experts. Just because they did not fit your narrative or propaganda. If that makes any sense to anyone else, maybe they could explain it. It beats me.
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eaglesdare 18 Jun 23 3.37pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When the day dawns that you make a statement here that your opinion about vaccines was wrong I might reconsider things. My opinion is that Biden's words weren't "false and inaccurate". They were careless and nuanced. At the end of the day 2 fact checkers have found bidens words to be false and inaccurate. Are you telling me fact checkers are wrong? I am man enough to admit some of trump's comments have been false and inaccurate in the past why can't you do the same with Biden?
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eaglesdare 18 Jun 23 3.39pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
If that makes any sense to anyone else, maybe they could explain it. It beats me. There are professional experts and some mentioned in this thread that you have publicly dismissed and discredited. Just because they do not fit your agenda. Is that clear enough for you and everyone else?
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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 23 3.45pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
There are professional experts and some mentioned in this thread that you have publicly dismissed and discredited. Just because they do not fit your agenda. Is that clear enough for you and everyone else? His commentary on Dr Campbell has been a disgrace.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 23 4.10pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
There are professional experts and some mentioned in this thread that you have publicly dismissed and discredited. Just because they do not fit your agenda. Is that clear enough for you and everyone else? Which professional expert do you think I have dismissed and discredited? Don't say Dr Campbell! He is not an expert in anything other than how to educate nurses. He is not a virologist or even a behavioural scientist. His involvement in this area is making YouTube videos which mislead.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 23 4.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
His commentary on Dr Campbell has been a disgrace. It's true. He is not a professional expert in the field he opines on. He is due all the criticism I, and others, have directed at him. What is disgraceful is anyone trying to equate his activities on YouTube with what medical clinicians do in their own field of expertise. I wouldn't dream to criticise him on how to educate nurses. I would criticise a surgeon opining on how to educate nurses.
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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 23 4.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's true. He is not a professional expert in the field he opines on. He is due all the criticism I, and others, have directed at him. What is disgraceful is anyone trying to equate his activities on YouTube with what medical clinicians do in their own field of expertise. I wouldn't dream to criticise him on how to educate nurses. I would criticise a surgeon opining on how to educate nurses. You have done more than criticise you have attacked the man's motives. He has had many experts on his channel who agree with his reading of the officially released statistics. He doesn't deal in opinions but follows facts. You link to instances of criticism, which while minor can be argued....Yet when say the non experts at the BBC get something wrong you don't lambast them do you.....then you are suddenly very charitable and your knowledge of the situation becomes comfortably numb. The suggestion that you don't criticise experts of the field is false of course. You have used this forum to criticise some of the highest qualified people in medicine....directly in the fields of vaccines itself. You sir are 'debunked'.
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Stirlingsays 18 Jun 23 4.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Which professional expert do you think I have dismissed and discredited? Don't say Dr Campbell! He is not an expert in anything other than how to educate nurses. He is not a virologist or even a behavioural scientist. His involvement in this area is making YouTube videos which mislead. The Great Barrington Declaration claims the signatures of 16,067 Medical & Public Health Scientists and 47,541 Medical practitioners. You have directly criticised it and thus many many 'experts'. What was stated of you is correct, what you criticise and what you praise isn't dependent upon qualifications. Among them have been: Dr. Martin Kulldorff, professor of medicine at Harvard University, a biostatistician, and epidemiologist with expertise in detecting and monitoring infectious disease outbreaks and vaccine safety evaluations. Dr. Sunetra Gupta, professor at Oxford University, an epidemiologist with expertise in immunology, vaccine development, and mathematical modeling of infectious diseases. Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor at Stanford University Medical School, a physician, epidemiologist, health economist, and public health policy expert focusing on infectious diseases and vulnerable populations. Dr. Alexander Walker, principal at World Health Information Science Consultants, former Chair of Epidemiology, Harvard TH Chan School of Public Health, USA Dr. Andrius Kavaliunas, epidemiologist and assistant professor at Karolinska Institute, Sweden Dr. Anthony J Brookes, professor of genetics, University of Leicester, England Dr. Annie Janvier, professor of pediatrics and clinical ethics, Université de Montréal and Sainte-Justine University Medical Centre, Canada Dr. Boris Kotchoubey, Institute for Medical Psychology, University of Tübingen, Germany Dr. Cody Meissner, professor of pediatrics, expert on vaccine development, efficacy, and safety. Tufts University School of Medicine, USA Dr. David Livermore, microbiologist, infectious disease epidemiologist and professor, University of East Anglia, England Dr. Eitan Friedman, professor of medicine, Tel-Aviv University, Israel Dr. Ellen Townsend, professor of psychology, head of the Self-Harm Research Group, University of Nottingham, England Dr. Eyal Shahar, physician, epidemiologist and professor (emeritus) of public health, University of Arizona, USA Dr. Gabriela Gomes, mathematician studying infectious disease epidemiology, professor, University of Strathclyde, Scotland Dr. Gesine Weckmann, professor of health education and prevention, Europäische Fachhochschule, Rostock, Germany Dr. Günter Kampf, associate professor, Institute for Hygiene and Environmental Medicine, Greifswald University, Germany Dr. Helen Colhoun, professor of medical informatics and epidemiology, and public health physician, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Dr. Jonas Ludvigsson, pediatrician, epidemiologist and professor at Karolinska Institute and senior physician at Örebro University Hospital, Sweden Dr. Laura Lazzeroni, professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and of biomedical data science, Stanford University Medical School, USA Dr. Mario Recker, malaria researcher and associate professor, University of Exeter, England Dr. Matthew Strauss, critical care physician and assistant professor of medicine, Queen’s University, Canada Dr. Mike Hulme, professor of human geography, University of Cambridge, England Dr. Motti Gerlic, professor of clinical microbiology and immunology, Tel Aviv University, Israel Dr. Partha P. Majumder, professor and founder of the National Institute of Biomedical Genomics, Kalyani, India Dr. Paul McKeigue, physician, disease modeler and professor of epidemiology and public health, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Dr. Rodney Sturdivant, infectious disease scientist and associate professor of biostatistics, Baylor University, USA Dr. Stephen Bremner,professor of medical statistics, University of Sussex, England Dr. Sylvia Fogel, autism provider and psychiatrist at Massachusetts General Hospital and instructor at Harvard Medical School, USA Tom Nicholson, Associate in Research, Duke Center for International Development, Sanford School of Public Policy, Duke University, USA Dr. Ulrike Kämmerer, professor and expert in virology, immunology and cell biology, University of Würzburg, Germany Dr. Uri Gavish, biomedical consultant, Israel Dr. Yaz Gulnur Muradoglu, professor of finance, director of the Behavioural Finance Working Group, Queen Mary University of London, England
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 18 Jun 23 5.44pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You have done more than criticise you have attacked the man's motives. He has had many experts on his channel who agree with his reading of the officially released statistics. He doesn't deal in opinions but follows facts. You link to instances of criticism, which while minor can be argued....Yet when say the non experts at the BBC get something wrong you don't lambast them do you.....then you are suddenly very charitable and your knowledge of the situation becomes comfortably numb. The suggestion that you don't criticise experts of the field is false of course. You have used this forum to criticise some of the highest qualified people in medicine....directly in the fields of vaccines itself. You sir are 'debunked'. I questioned the guy's motives well before I read the analysis of some genuine experts on them, which confirmed my suspicions. I think that he started off in a genuine spirit of using his teaching skills and avuncular manner to assist people in understanding what was going on with Covid. I think he then realised that the more questioning and critical he was the more people watched him and the more people who watched him the higher the revenue he obtained. That grew exponentially until he had millions of followers all eager to hear the next conspiracy theory. He has admitted as much himself, in some unguarded remarks. He must now be very rich and able to convince himself that its all for the greater good. He doesn't now "follow" facts to their conclusions. He misrepresents them to lead his viewers to incorrect conclusions. If you are referring to my criticism of the so-called "Great Barrington Declaration" then any criticism of those involved is well merited. Its whole basis has been demonstrably shown to be false. Those involved have been linked with politically motivated right-wing objectives. I have never suggested all professionals must automatically be trusted, and the GBD proves that. It's why oversight and peer review is important. Campbell is debunked. The task now is getting those who still trust him to accept that.
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Teddy Eagle 18 Jun 23 6.01pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I questioned the guy's motives well before I read the analysis of some genuine experts on them, which confirmed my suspicions. I think that he started off in a genuine spirit of using his teaching skills and avuncular manner to assist people in understanding what was going on with Covid. I think he then realised that the more questioning and critical he was the more people watched him and the more people who watched him the higher the revenue he obtained. That grew exponentially until he had millions of followers all eager to hear the next conspiracy theory. He has admitted as much himself, in some unguarded remarks. He must now be very rich and able to convince himself that its all for the greater good. He doesn't now "follow" facts to their conclusions. He misrepresents them to lead his viewers to incorrect conclusions. If you are referring to my criticism of the so-called "Great Barrington Declaration" then any criticism of those involved is well merited. Its whole basis has been demonstrably shown to be false. Those involved have been linked with politically motivated right-wing objectives. I have never suggested all professionals must automatically be trusted, and the GBD proves that. It's why oversight and peer review is important. Campbell is debunked. The task now is getting those who still trust him to accept that.
Attempting to discredit some of the most ethical people among us is nothing short of a disgrace.
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