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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Mar 22 7.12pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

I'm supporting his general view on the war, should I not just because it is him?

'What Wisbech said is spot on.', seemed a little more specific to me.

Regardless, you are where you are.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Mar 22 7.53pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What he said was rubbish.

So what you see on TV is exactly what has happened is it.

Don't think for yourself just nod along to the telly and politician and think what you are told to think.

People who believe in 'good v evil' narratives and manipulated narratives of history yet wish to eliminate religion are nothing but replacement liars like the fantasy narratives of religion itself. Every word he says is propaganda towards his own ends in the same way you'd expect from an ex marketing and sales manager.

You stand with WE, it's your new standard.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2022 4.40pm)

Have stated before but I agree absolutely (bold).

It does disturb me when an extreme of any side begins to gain traction then people of an equal disposition rightfully dislike what they see but then conclude that the exact opposite is the antidote for this. Mostly exhibited these days by the rise of the far left and subsequent re-emergence of the far right. If you do consider yourself a logical person who pragmatically makes decisions based on the evidence and the reliability of the evidence presented to you, you are liable to ending up living in some sort of lunatic asylum where nothing seems to make sense and your faith in mankind diminishes.

It really is like every issue/event/debatable point these days is contested by those in the lower percentile of the intelligence spectrum whose ultimate aim is to gain the support and influence the very bottom percentile so they can all scream louder than those who have any actual meaningful input or insight on a subject. Corporations/business/media/politicians obviously then jump on this no doubt for their own gain.

With regards to Ukraine I still maintain the same stance, I can understand(comprehend) that Putin may have his motives, the faults within Ukraine but why the population wants to protect itself and ultimately condemn the situation, the 'war' (isn't a war IMHO it's an invasion) as it is now and those responsible for it.

I must say though, given I actually work within close proximity to the field, I am amazed how so many people seem to be far better versed and informed on all things Russia/Ukraine/NATO/Putin etc than I am, including the history. Especially the extent to which so many do not even see it necessary to discuss/share ideas as it is a black and white situation and therefore their version of events needs to be screamed as loud as possible.

My heart genuinely goes out to all those involved/affected whether you are Ukrainian and being militarily attacked, Russian and wondering why a multi-pack of Wotsits costs millions and your country is at war/becoming a pariah of the world, or the anxiety, distress,sorrow etc. it has caused anybody else.


 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Mar 22 8.13pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Have stated before but I agree absolutely (bold).

It does disturb me when an extreme of any side begins to gain traction then people of an equal disposition rightfully dislike what they see but then conclude that the exact opposite is the antidote for this. Mostly exhibited these days by the rise of the far left and subsequent re-emergence of the far right. If you do consider yourself a logical person who pragmatically makes decisions based on the evidence and the reliability of the evidence presented to you, you are liable to ending up living in some sort of lunatic asylum where nothing seems to make sense and your faith in mankind diminishes.

It really is like every issue/event/debatable point these days is contested by those in the lower percentile of the intelligence spectrum whose ultimate aim is to gain the support and influence the very bottom percentile so they can all scream louder than those who have any actual meaningful input or insight on a subject. Corporations/business/media/politicians obviously then jump on this no doubt for their own gain.

With regards to Ukraine I still maintain the same stance, I can understand(comprehend) that Putin may have his motives, the faults within Ukraine but why the population wants to protect itself and ultimately condemn the situation, the 'war' (isn't a war IMHO it's an invasion) as it is now and those responsible for it.

I must say though, given I actually work within close proximity to the field, I am amazed how so many people seem to be far better versed and informed on all things Russia/Ukraine/NATO/Putin etc than I am, including the history. Especially the extent to which so many do not even see it necessary to discuss/share ideas as it is a black and white situation and therefore their version of events needs to be screamed as loud as possible.

My heart genuinely goes out to all those involved/affected whether you are Ukrainian and being militarily attacked, Russian and wondering why a multi-pack of Wotsits costs millions and your country is at war/becoming a pariah of the world, or the anxiety, distress,sorrow etc. it has caused anybody else.


It's a total sh1tshow.

Especially if you like cheap wotsits.

The quicker ceasefires and agreements can be reached the better, but they seem too far apart.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2022 8.15pm)

 


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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Mar 22 8.17pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Actually he hasn't seemed to be in it for some days.

And I don't think you can find one post where he expresses support for anyone's take other than his own. Unlike yourself who has expressly supported WE.


Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2022 6.56pm)


It is a question of the gravity of what Putin has done, it transcends what you may wish or believe, it is about reality.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Mar 22 8.28pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

It is a question of the gravity of what Putin has done, it transcends what you may wish or believe, it is about reality.

That's certainly true.

 


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W12 05 Mar 22 8.44pm

It seems almost nobody wants to understand what led up to 2014 and what happened since. In my opinion, until that happens, everyone will have a skewed idea about what is now going on in Ukraine and why.

Add to that, our media are just f***ing outright liars.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Mar 22 9.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by W12

It seems almost nobody wants to understand what led up to 2014 and what happened since. In my opinion, until that happens, everyone will have a skewed idea about what is now going on in Ukraine and why.

Add to that, our media are just f***ing outright liars.

Also true in my view.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Mar 22 9.59pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by W12

It seems almost nobody wants to understand what led up to 2014 and what happened since. In my opinion, until that happens, everyone will have a skewed idea about what is now going on in Ukraine and why.

Add to that, our media are just f***ing outright liars.

The opposing view is critical for diplomatic agreement. Problem is with the public some go further than this, getting carried away and sounding like they may as well be a friend and ally of Putin. That’s social media I suppose.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards georgenorman Flag 05 Mar 22 10.01pm Send a Private Message to georgenorman Add georgenorman as a friend

Some of the posts on here regarding Putin remind me of the Monty Python ‘Piranah Brothers’ sketch:
Interviewer: I've been told Dinsdale Piranha nailed your head to the floor.
Stig: No. Never. He was a smashing bloke. He used to buy his mother flowers and that. He was like a brother to me.
Interviewer: But the police have film of Dinsdale actually nailing your head to the floor.
Stig: Well he did do that, yeah. He was a hard man. Vicious but fair.
Interviewer: Why?
Stig: Well he had to, didn't he? I mean there was nothing else he could do, be fair. I had transgressed the unwritten law.
Interviewer: What had you done?
Stig: Er... well he didn't tell me that, but he gave me his word that it was the case, and that's good enough for me with old Dinsy. I mean, he didn't want to nail my head to the floor. I had to insist. He wanted to let me off. He'd do anything for you, Dinsdale would.

 

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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 05 Mar 22 10.02pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

What is the view on post conflict Ukraine? Will the new border between Ukraine and Russia be the Dnieper?

Will there be a mass migration of people into western Ukraine?

I have no idea what the eastern part of Ukraine has in terms of resources that Russia may well be after.

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays Flag 05 Mar 22 10.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

What is the view on post conflict Ukraine? Will the new border between Ukraine and Russia be the Dnieper?

Will there be a mass migration of people into western Ukraine?

I have no idea what the eastern part of Ukraine has in terms of resources that Russia may well be after.

Those are all good questions.

The answers are probably more dependent upon what reactions and reactions to those are.

We probably need more knowledgeable voices.

I'm going to butt out of it for a couple of days because my non mainstream takes just seem to be annoying people.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Mar 2022 10.26pm)

 


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HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 05 Mar 22 10.38pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Opinions alway should be freely expressed, they can be disagreed with. Unlike some on here you don't have the hubris of treating your opinions as facts.

I disagree with many views but totally support the right to express them.

 


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