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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Nov 21 10.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Now do Gary Lineker who spouts his usual BS on Twitter seemingly at will because he (although employed by the BBC)has declared himself freelance With so many programmes being made these days by independent production companies, their employees, or any freelancers they use, are not going to be bound by the BBC's requirements. I guess though that the companies may well insert requirements into their own contracts, as without them, they run the risk of not getting the work. With the freelancers it must be a balancing act in which a presenter is obligated whilst actually working for the BBC, but is otherwise free to say whatever they wish. It's only the direct employees, like Edwards, who would be restricted.
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cryrst The garden of England 06 Nov 21 4.01am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
With so many programmes being made these days by independent production companies, their employees, or any freelancers they use, are not going to be bound by the BBC's requirements. I guess though that the companies may well insert requirements into their own contracts, as without them, they run the risk of not getting the work. With the freelancers it must be a balancing act in which a presenter is obligated whilst actually working for the BBC, but is otherwise free to say whatever they wish. It's only the direct employees, like Edwards, who would be restricted. And isn't that just a bit weird. Get payed by the BBC and say what you want because they don't pay your tax.
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The Dolphin 06 Nov 21 8.27am | |
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Wisbech - technically you are correct and yes impartial views are what we want.
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BlueJay UK 06 Nov 21 8.34am | |
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Being well known and running your own twitter account is up there as a bad idea with not locking your door at night and forgetting to replace your bog roll.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Nov 21 9.30am | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
Wisbech - technically you are correct and yes impartial views are what we want. That yours is a commonly held perception of the right is merely confirmation of your own bias, because those on the left believe the precise opposite. The idea that there is any kind of "their" involved is obvious nonsense. The BBC's employees will hold a mixed bag of views, which we can only speculate about because they not only don't have to reveal them, they are obliged not to. That is true at all levels. You may well be right that those in the front line will tend to be more left leaning than right, but those in senior management and at Board level? Let alone the many backroom administrators. The point though is that the BBC have a charter which demands impartiality from all, and this is fiercely defended.
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cryrst The garden of England 06 Nov 21 8.04pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That yours is a commonly held perception of the right is merely confirmation of your own bias, because those on the left believe the precise opposite. The idea that there is any kind of "their" involved is obvious nonsense. The BBC's employees will hold a mixed bag of views, which we can only speculate about because they not only don't have to reveal them, they are obliged not to. That is true at all levels. You may well be right that those in the front line will tend to be more left leaning than right, but those in senior management and at Board level? Let alone the many backroom administrators. The point though is that the BBC have a charter which demands impartiality from all, and this is fiercely defended. Oh you mean like the reporting about TR.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 06 Nov 21 8.58pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Oh you mean like the reporting about TR. Wasn't he disciplined? In any case presenters are only human and sometimes reactions are spontaneous. Recorded content would be edited out, but that cannot be done when live. Laughing at Yaxley-Lennon seems a pretty mild reaction to me. Paxman has raised his eyebrows at, and asked difficult question of, many people from both the left and right in the past. Y-L was given a platform to express his views, that is more than enough, surely? I remember Andrew Neil interviewing Alex Jones of InfoWars. Jones was spouting some really nonsensical conspiracy theories, which Neil reacted to with incredulity. Frankly spoken, the viewers would have been dismayed had he not done so. Neil was polite, but firm. Jones walked out. Remaining impartial is a primary asset of the BBC. Not reacting to self-evidently spurious claims isn't.
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cryrst The garden of England 06 Nov 21 10.15pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Wasn't he disciplined? In any case presenters are only human and sometimes reactions are spontaneous. Recorded content would be edited out, but that cannot be done when live. Laughing at Yaxley-Lennon seems a pretty mild reaction to me. Paxman has raised his eyebrows at, and asked difficult question of, many people from both the left and right in the past. Y-L was given a platform to express his views, that is more than enough, surely? I remember Andrew Neil interviewing Alex Jones of InfoWars. Jones was spouting some really nonsensical conspiracy theories, which Neil reacted to with incredulity. Frankly spoken, the viewers would have been dismayed had he not done so. Neil was polite, but firm. Jones walked out. Remaining impartial is a primary asset of the BBC. Not reacting to self-evidently spurious claims isn't. So was paxman impartial?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Nov 21 8.31am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
So was paxman impartial? That Yaxley-Lennon was given any airtime at all is evidence he was "taken seriously". Without knowing what caused Paxman to laugh, it's difficult to know if he was being impartial. If he laughed because he expressed genuine concern about the welfare of vulnerable young girls and suggested that not enough was being done to investigate the grooming gangs, then he probably wasn't. If he laughed at one of Y-L's more outrageous claims, that's just a normal reaction. Impartiality isn't involved. Context matters. What does "being impartial" demand of the BBC? For me it means ensuring both sides of an argument get a fair hearing and not offering your own judgement. That though does not mean tolerating unacceptable behaviour, not calling out hypocrisy, nonsensical, irrelevant or dangerous comments.
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Badger11 Beckenham 07 Nov 21 8.54am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That yours is a commonly held perception of the right is merely confirmation of your own bias, because those on the left believe the precise opposite. The idea that there is any kind of "their" involved is obvious nonsense. The BBC's employees will hold a mixed bag of views, which we can only speculate about because they not only don't have to reveal them, they are obliged not to. That is true at all levels. You may well be right that those in the front line will tend to be more left leaning than right, but those in senior management and at Board level? Let alone the many backroom administrators. The point though is that the BBC have a charter which demands impartiality from all, and this is fiercely defended. Agreed. They run the full range from A to B. Socialist Trotskyist Marxist Leninist Remainer Alphabet Soup Liberal Democrat BLM Green
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silvertop Portishead 07 Nov 21 10.18am | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Oh you mean like the reporting about TR. Did the same with the barking mad NRA spokesman who just shouted over the questions and wouldn't let Neill get a word in.
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HKOwen Hong Kong 07 Nov 21 10.33am | |
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BBC senior people have a wide range of views from extreme left to middling left of centre. The BBC needs a thorough shake up, public broadcasting for basics and made to be commercially viable for the rest.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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