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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 21 10.05pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Please give it a rest. This is a thread about coronavirus and you are harping on about the referendum Edited by Spiderman (13 Dec 2021 9.53pm) I know, and I am concentrating on it. However, when someone makes a negative dig, I hope I am entitled to respond. If you trace it back, it wasn't actually me who brought the subject up again. They were just using it to have a go.
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 georgenorman 13 Dec 21 10.29pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh, but they are when they affect the health of the nation and its health service's ability to do its job. Religious objections are normally harmless. However sometimes they aren't and if a parent, who is a Jehovah's Witness, refuses to allow their child a blood transfusion, the hospital can, and will, decide that the child is being neglected and administer it. This has been decided in Court. No-one "likes" the idea of ostracising people, but in an emergency all options must be kept available. Persuasion is much to be preferred, but when faced with brick walls, sledgehammers can come in useful. The NHS is a religion these days with worshippers who think it should have unlimited funds and that all other aspects of life should be subjugated to it. Edited by georgenorman (13 Dec 2021 10.39pm)
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Teddy Eagle  13 Dec 21 10.35pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Oh, but they are when they affect the health of the nation and its health service's ability to do its job. Religious objections are normally harmless. However sometimes they aren't and if a parent, who is a Jehovah's Witness, refuses to allow their child a blood transfusion, the hospital can, and will, decide that the child is being neglected and administer it. This has been decided in Court. No-one "likes" the idea of ostracising people, but in an emergency all options must be kept available. Persuasion is much to be preferred, but when faced with brick walls, sledgehammers can come in useful. Adults have the right to refuse medical treatment. Does this sledgehammer approach include enforced hermitude?
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| Eaglecoops CR3 13 Dec 21 10.45pm |
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I’m reading more and more reports daily that the government are massively over reacting to the moronic, sorry omicron variant. Even the doctor who discovered the variant is saying that the vast majority of cases exhibit hardly any symptoms if any at all. I really do not understand the rhetoric which is bordering on hysterical at the moment. If it is purely to encourage vaccine take up then it’s sort of understandable but the scaremongering has been taken to a whole new level. The cynic in me says this is deflection by the government from their own crap they are currently wading through.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Dec 21 10.52pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I’m reading more and more reports daily that the government are massively over reacting to the moronic, sorry omicron variant. Even the doctor who discovered the variant is saying that the vast majority of cases exhibit hardly any symptoms if any at all. I really do not understand the rhetoric which is bordering on hysterical at the moment. If it is purely to encourage vaccine take up then it’s sort of understandable but the scaremongering has been taken to a whole new level. The cynic in me says this is deflection by the government from their own crap they are currently wading through. All Correct
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| Stirlingsays 13 Dec 21 10.54pm |
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Neil Oliver on the Covid crises of leadership. Apparently there are now 80 Tory Mps planning to vote against vaccine passports.....it's scary that there are no libertarians existing anymore in Labour or....quite absurdly the liberal democrat party all planning to vote for them. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2021 10.54pm)
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| Stirlingsays 13 Dec 21 11.01pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I’m reading more and more reports daily that the government are massively over reacting to the moronic, sorry omicron variant. Even the doctor who discovered the variant is saying that the vast majority of cases exhibit hardly any symptoms if any at all. I really do not understand the rhetoric which is bordering on hysterical at the moment. If it is purely to encourage vaccine take up then it’s sort of understandable but the scaremongering has been taken to a whole new level. The cynic in me says this is deflection by the government from their own crap they are currently wading through. Their fear mongering has lead to significant drops in staffing levels in the public sector....especially the NHS and that what's really behind it. The language they use won't identify their culpability though that fact is just the reality of it.....this new variant is just a convenient excuse. They have many people so scared now that if they told them to hop three times on one leg while singing 'Last Christmas' to save the NHS they would ask them what key.....not why the hell have you implemented policies that were inevitably going to lead to cratering staffing levels. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2021 11.02pm)
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| Canterbury Palace Whitstable 13 Dec 21 11.05pm |
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My mother-in-law passed away from Covid pneumonia a month ago, her funeral was last Wednesday. As she was classed as vulnerable due to severe kidney issues, she barely left the house. She was double-vaccinated, as was every family member including me, despite my heavy reluctance to be jabbed. In the end I relented under great protest because my wife asked me to. My father-in-law caught the virus whilst working and passed it onto her and the rest of the family. He had the impression, from the government narrative, that being vaccinated protects you from spreading it. It does not. That the government have hoodwinked so many into perpetuating this bizarre notion that getting vaccinated is some romantic national duty akin to joining up in 1939 is utterly heinous. The only thing that pack of authoritarian c***s care about is turning us into a nation of biosecurity through the backdoor with Covid passports that will unequivocally be adapted to a wider use in the long term. You do not have a moral, social or national duty to get vaccinated and the NHS isn't overloaded because of Coronavirus, it's overloaded because the number of hospital beds in the UK has reduced from 240,000 to 160,000 since 2000. The only obligation you have is to yourself and, perhaps, your family. If that means relenting and getting the vaccine in the end then fair enough but don't do it because of Boris bloody Johnson.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 21 11.10pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Adults have the right to refuse medical treatment. Does this sledgehammer approach include enforced hermitude? I know. Hospitals don't though have that right, other than in extreme cases of abuse. Your remark was though about religious objections. People can refuse vaccinations too. My argument is that that, in these circumstances, will likely lead to consequences. Enforced "hermitude"? Nice thought, but impractical. No, just restrictions on where they can mix with the vaccinated, until the alert level diminishes.
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| Teddy Eagle 13 Dec 21 11.13pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I know. Hospitals don't though have that right, other than in extreme cases of abuse. Your remark was though about religious objections. People can refuse vaccinations too. My argument is that that, in these circumstances, will likely lead to consequences. Enforced "hermitude"? Nice thought, but impractical. No, just restrictions on where they can mix with the vaccinated, until the alert level diminishes. It wasn’t my idea…. if they do it because they have no choice unless they are prepared to become a hermit, then for now, who cares?
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 21 11.14pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I’m reading more and more reports daily that the government are massively over reacting to the moronic, sorry omicron variant. Even the doctor who discovered the variant is saying that the vast majority of cases exhibit hardly any symptoms if any at all. I really do not understand the rhetoric which is bordering on hysterical at the moment. If it is purely to encourage vaccine take up then it’s sort of understandable but the scaremongering has been taken to a whole new level. The cynic in me says this is deflection by the government from their own crap they are currently wading through. 😊 You really don't get it, do you? It's pointless trying to point out realities when you regurgitate crap.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Dec 21 11.26pm |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
My mother-in-law passed away from Covid pneumonia a month ago, her funeral was last Wednesday. As she was classed as vulnerable due to severe kidney issues, she barely left the house. She was double-vaccinated, as was every family member including me, despite my heavy reluctance to be jabbed. In the end I relented under great protest because my wife asked me to. My father-in-law caught the virus whilst working and passed it onto her and the rest of the family. He had the impression, from the government narrative, that being vaccinated protects you from spreading it. It does not. That the government have hoodwinked so many into perpetuating this bizarre notion that getting vaccinated is some romantic national duty akin to joining up in 1939 is utterly heinous. The only thing that pack of authoritarian c***s care about is turning us into a nation of biosecurity through the backdoor with Covid passports that will unequivocally be adapted to a wider use in the long term. You do not have a moral, social or national duty to get vaccinated and the NHS isn't overloaded because of Coronavirus, it's overloaded because the number of hospital beds in the UK has reduced from 240,000 to 160,000 since 2000. The only obligation you have is to yourself and, perhaps, your family. If that means relenting and getting the vaccine in the end then fair enough but don't do it because of Boris bloody Johnson. Condolences to you and your family's loss and thank you for sharing your thoughts. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Dec 2021 11.29pm)
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