They absolutely don't. The kind of things they are saying are well understood and not controversial. Everyone knows that the steps that have been taken, and continue to be taken, have their consequences. They aren't what was criticised. It was the idea that such consequences ought to mean that the steps we have taken ought not to have been taken.

Your non-expert is perfectly entitled to speak up for his speciality, but isn't any more qualified than you to reach a conclusion on what we need to do as a country. Those that are need to weigh all the evidence, and not just a selected part of it, to reach very difficult and often finely balanced decisions.

Don't that let that stop you thinking you know better, though.

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Of course they exist but in this case they’re not of any particular importance. The NHS and everybody else gets exactly the same benefit from my vaccination as from anyone else.

Oh don’t be such a drama Queen. I voted remain but I’m not crying about it for my family. We just have to see how it goes once we can shed ourselves of the idiot Johnson and get on with it. The country made a decision whether we like it or not.

Religion is not the same as science. It's a bad comparison.

Also no one is being ostracised – if you're referring to having to show proof of vaccination, a simple lateral flow is sufficient. Really don't see what the drama is all about

People literally have the right to refuse it. And so they should have that right. But that shouldn't make them exempt from criticism or questioning, especially if they're firing shots the other way. The amount of times I read on here about 'lefty whining' and now some of the same protagonists are complaining about being debated on the merits of their reasoning for not being vaccinated.

Trying to equate tangible data and research with preferences and religion is a bit odd.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

There's nothing dramatic going on. No histrionics, or toys out of the pram. On a daily basis, none of us have any choice other than just getting on with it. There is though a steely resolve in me, and those who think like me, not to allow the background to this to just dissolve into the mists of history. The hard lessons need to be learned and not repeated. We need to elect a Parliament which is prepared to do its job and take decisions of this importance on our behalf and not cop out by throwing them to the winds of chance, and Russian manipulation, via a referendum. Referendums as a way of conducting politics in the UK need to be put into the history books.

We need to get back into, or certainly in association with, the EU. A well-chosen Parliament can negotiate that for us. Throw it to the likes of Farage and the Daily Mail and a referendum, and there's no chance.

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Oh, but they are when they affect the health of the nation and its health service's ability to do its job.

Religious objections are normally harmless. However sometimes they aren't and if a parent, who is a Jehovah's Witness, refuses to allow their child a blood transfusion, the hospital can, and will, decide that the child is being neglected and administer it. This has been decided in Court.

No-one "likes" the idea of ostracising people, but in an emergency all options must be kept available. Persuasion is much to be preferred, but when faced with brick walls, sledgehammers can come in useful.

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