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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 13 Dec 21 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
You cant claim its false then go on to say you hope the old vaccine works in your next sentence. The other thing you highlighted I corrected to me personally as I could see it might imply I meant everyone you were no doubt already replying so missed it. If people want to get vaccinated then fine, im certainly no anti vaxxer but lets not fool ourselves here, the uk crossed the threshold for herd immunity a while back & were still here in more or less the same situation. We don’t know that the 3rd jab doesn’t work, do we? If you were the PM I doubt you’d not provide 3rd jabs without knowing. Fair enough that you’re confident you won’t be hospitalised. There are millions who aren’t confident and playing chance. Up to them, but they are causing a problem here in health services being unavailable and closures or restrictions of things we want to do.
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cryrst  The garden of England 13 Dec 21 12.37pm |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Get vaccinated so we can protect the vaccinated against a mutated virus the vaccine is not designed for. The latest covid measures from this government demonstrate a political timeline to this pandemic as opposed to a medical one. Meanwhile were inventing a completely new medical condition to explain away the rather alarming number of heart problems people are suffering from the vaccines. Again ive had the virus, had worse colds my immune system is working great, im fit, healthy & good looking, there is absolutely no reason for me to expose myself to the chance of getting Myocarditis & being dead from it in 10 years for a vaccine that will make absolutely no difference to me when it comes to tackling the virus. Edited by Ouzo Dan (13 Dec 2021 12.00pm) The good looking bit might be a fault with your mirror.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Dec 21 1.03pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I agree wholeheartedly with this, but, of course, no-one is. Your claim was about human life, not human beings, and that was what that quote addressed. It might seem like a non point to anyone who has not debated these issues with "pro-life" advocates, but I have seen people get apoplectic with self-righteous certainty over such things. When emotion over-rules science, reason evaporates. Amen to that
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Ouzo Dan  Behind you 13 Dec 21 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
We don’t know that the 3rd jab doesn’t work, do we? If you were the PM I doubt you’d not provide 3rd jabs without knowing. Fair enough that you’re confident you won’t be hospitalised. There are millions who aren’t confident and playing chance. Up to them, but they are causing a problem here in health services being unavailable and closures or restrictions of things we want to do. Rudi, people are absolutely free to get the vaccine if they wish, Dr John Campbell has an excellent podcast on Youtube and demonstrated how these vaccines attack the virus better than anyone else I have come across, think of it like code, a computer virus infects your pc, someone then writes the code to remove it, your pc then gets an updated version of the virus however the previous anti virus you have is no longer effective in removing this new virus, this is the best explanation I can come up with for a luddite such as myself. I would say most people in the UK have had the virus go through them by now, like I say we crossed the threshold for herd immunity a while back, we either learn to live with the virus or we continue to do what were doing.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Dec 21 1.07pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
We don’t know that the 3rd jab doesn’t work, do we? If you were the PM I doubt you’d not provide 3rd jabs without knowing. Fair enough that you’re confident you won’t be hospitalised. There are millions who aren’t confident and playing chance. Up to them, but they are causing a problem here in health services being unavailable and closures or restrictions of things we want to do. Also depends on your definition of 'work' – from the currently available info it's nowhere near 90%+ efficacy. More like ~75%. However as you insinuate clearly more than enough to warrant a politically risky move of spaffing cash on boosters and delaying essential ops etc.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Dec 21 1.15pm |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Get vaccinated so we can protect the vaccinated against a mutated virus the vaccine is not designed for. The latest covid measures from this government demonstrate a political timeline to this pandemic as opposed to a medical one. Meanwhile were inventing a completely new medical condition to explain away the rather alarming number of heart problems people are suffering from the vaccines. Again ive had the virus, had worse colds my immune system is working great, im fit, healthy & good looking, there is absolutely no reason for me to expose myself to the chance of getting Myocarditis & being dead from it in 10 years for a vaccine that will make absolutely no difference to me when it comes to tackling the virus. Edited by Ouzo Dan (13 Dec 2021 12.00pm) Early data though right? Statistically very low incidence rate though right? Mainly younger demographics. The real question is what is the higher risk to your health, statistically, from taking the vaccine and being unbelievably unlucky and getting a heart focused side effect vs. not taking it at all. I'd be interested to know the numbers on that one. Also, it's not yet clear as to whether it's the mRNA vaccines, the body response to the spike protein or the virus itself. So let's wait and see on that one. Also – not all vaccines are mRNA. AZ, for example. So if people are refusing to have mRNA vaccines because of the infinitesimally small chance of heart issues, sure, get an AZ jab. Next Edited by SW19 CPFC (13 Dec 2021 1.15pm)
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| Ouzo Dan Behind you 13 Dec 21 1.18pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
The good looking bit might be a fault with your mirror.
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| DanH SW2 13 Dec 21 1.27pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The named professionals in that article all backing up the health issues raised by the surgeon in a previously linked video.....which was rather ruthlessly and as it turns out rather predictively inaccurately attacked by some in this thread. If those figures turn out to be correct it's a massive and criminal scandal on a near unprecedented scale. Sorry how on Earth does that back anything up? There is literally nothing that can be drawn to conclude even remotely that it is anything to do with the vaccine.
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| SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 13 Dec 21 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan
Rudi, people are absolutely free to get the vaccine if they wish, Dr John Campbell has an excellent podcast on Youtube and demonstrated how these vaccines attack the virus better than anyone else I have come across, think of it like code, a computer virus infects your pc, someone then writes the code to remove it, your pc then gets an updated version of the virus however the previous anti virus you have is no longer effective in removing this new virus, this is the best explanation I can come up with for a luddite such as myself. I would say most people in the UK have had the virus go through them by now, like I say we crossed the threshold for herd immunity a while back, we either learn to live with the virus or we continue to do what were doing. It amazes me the amount of people that seem to infer that the choice is no more vaccines and or no more preventative measures and let it rip forth. And the amount that think this on/off scenario will last forever, with all the scaremongering that goes with that and the like. I really don't understand it. It's very simple if you pause and think about it without histrionics – once this winter period is out of the way, we will need to have boosters every year. Like we do for flu, and those have been around since the 60's because of an influenza that started in 1918. This is not a new thing. It just so happens that we were lucky enough to have a 100 year gap before the next one came round. Unlucky enough that the population growth and frequency and accessibility of trade and travel had changed just a little in that time to make everything much easier for it to spread, and much harder to control. Especially as it is a truly global issue now, which it wasn't in 1918. We don't lock down for flu every year, now do we. There have been years where it's been close to requiring action due to high case numbers but they are thankfully few and far between. But when you have two rampant seasonal infections floating around every winter for the foreseeable, you will need to adjust accordingly. Once the rest of the world catches up with others such as us, which are further ahead things will level out and settle into a natural pattern that has now been well established with the influenza virus. We will indeed have to learn to live with it, but we have to get over the hill first to do so, and although we're not that far away now, we're not there yet. Personally the road ahead seems pretty straightforward and understandable..
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Teddy Eagle  13 Dec 21 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
When there is an overwhelming level of agreement between all the genuine scientific experts that vaccination is the primary pathway out of the pandemic, one person agreeing is hardly "self"-righteous, is it? I may well support it with passion, but I am hardly alone. My objections to referedums is less ususal, that's true, but I am not alone in that either and I think the folly of holding the Brexit one becomes clearer to many every day. The issue isn’t in agreeing to be vaccinated but in dressing it up as some sort of duty to society or saving the NHS. I got jabbed x3 to reduce the chance of catching a disease not out of some moral obligation.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 13 Dec 21 2.04pm |
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WE are out of home testing kits- how on earth are we ment to test ourselves if we think we might have the virus, but are not sure to go in to work or not , prime minister? In a pandemic, ongoing for nearly 2 years, didn"t anyone, anyone at all in the government, think of ordering enough testing kits?
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| Teddy Eagle 13 Dec 21 2.11pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
WE are out of home testing kits- how on earth are we ment to test ourselves if we think we might have the virus, but are not sure to go in to work or not , prime minister? In a pandemic, ongoing for nearly 2 years, didn"t anyone, anyone at all in the government, think of ordering enough testing kits? Or possibly the available stock has been used up by people testing themselves every 20 minutes.
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