Ireland is 96 percent vaccinated adults! And it's lockdown and tough restrictions!

Even with 100 percent vaxxed it will still be the same over and over and over and over again! New variant this new variant that omg the cases are up let's panic!

At the end of the day it's silly carry on now! Soon everyone will have a vaccine card, stamped Everytime you take it and then 10th one free! Laughable! And don't think for a second that it will be free in the next few years! They will charge a fortune for your mandatory shot so that you can live a "normal" life

I don’t think it’s as black and white as that

What it really comes down to is whether you trust the data and science. Obviously it’s not exact, but if you have faith in science in general it’s hard not to think ‘because I want to be free’ is a bit of a stupid response in the face of scientific process and data. You should still respect someone’s choice not to vaccinate but you should absolutely be able to criticise them in the same breath if they’re not offering a valid argument as to why other than circumstantial dross, or worse, the sheep card.

For example, a 60+ person refusing the vaccine based on the increased (but still insanely low) chance of heart issues in the young is odd. If that person was 18, sure

Equally - maybe someone doesn’t like needles. Or vaccines in general. Fine, whatever. But if it’s an ideological protest then personally I don't see why I shouldn’t be able to launch flaming tar balls at their straw castle. Free world and all that

[I think they want to focus upon the unvaccinated when the real focus should be on NHS staffing levels and how they have mishandled them.

Less people in hospital than there were in October....there has been a severe lack of governmental and institutional flexibility. If it's a matter of equipment or beds, which I doubt, we have shown the capacity to quickly respond to that....if it's numbers of staff we have both ex staff and army medical core that can be reallocated, plus we have had a lot of time for specific training rather than the ridiculous 'degree' requirement for nurses.

It all seems to be handled pretty poorly.

Firstly in response I'd say something I think you already know but which often isn't stated enough....that civil liberties and interpretations of medical science are two different topics.

Secondly, as I've said many times, this comes down to risk assessment and what is deemed both sensible and realistically achievable without destroying long term aspects of our economies and social societies.

I think I could be very critical of many people on their sense of proportion over those two aspects as this aliment is no black death....but, unless we are talking about one particular poster here I can honestly say that I haven't been....mainly because I respect the difference of opinion and I'm a person who thinks that different opinions are good and healthy for society in general.

You see my opinion is I think you and others are too trusting of what you call the 'science', because...and this is an important point, in reality, you are only hearing a selection of it....and you know that. You aren't listening to those criticising it saying that it has conflicts of interest and a lack of certainty....for example, the 'with' presented as 'of', that over time just gets accepted. The fact that those who initially identified the virus were funded by those who created the tests for it...a matter of weeks later....do you even know that? I doubt it. I could spent a lot of time throwing harsh criticism at those I regard as less than skeptical and as too trusting......especially as anyone who says they value 'science' should automatically value skepticism.

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If I told you what you sound like, I would probably break the rules.

Of course, we should do things for the good of others, including taking medication. Most of us do, without protest or hesitation. Only the truly selfish refuse. It's called being part of a community working together for a common cause. That's not dictatorship. It's brotherhood.

You are a hang over from the Thatcher era of "there's no such thing as society". It's all me, me, me. Well, it isn't and people like you thoroughly deserve the ostracisation that I suspect will arrive soon enough.

Firstly in response I'd say something I think you already know but which often isn't stated enough....that civil liberties and interpretations of medical science are two different topics.

Secondly, as I've said many times, this comes down to risk assessment and what is deemed both sensible and realistically achievable without destroying long term aspects of our economies and social societies.

I think I could be very critical of many people on their sense of proportion over those two aspects as this aliment is no black death....but, unless we are talking about one particular poster here I can honestly say that I haven't been....mainly because I respect the difference of opinion and I'm a person who thinks that different opinions are good and healthy for society in general.

You see my opinion is I think you and others are too trusting of what you call the 'science', because...and this is an important point, in reality, you are only hearing a selection of it....and you know that. You aren't listening to those criticising it saying that it has conflicts of interest and a lack of certainty....for example, the 'with' presented as 'of', that over time just gets accepted. The fact that those who initially identified the virus were funded by those who created the tests for it...a matter of weeks later....do you even know that? I doubt it. I could spent a lot of time throwing harsh criticism at those I regard as less than skeptical and as too trusting......especially as anyone who says they value 'science' should automatically value skepticism.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2021 8.46pm)