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Mapletree Croydon 29 Oct 18 11.17am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Mmmmmm....surely most basic nursing skills are little different...at least not to the extent of requiring degrees...and for where specialisation is required I have already answered. As for degree requirements at teaching primary level....What serious improvements have degrees at primary level resulted in?...I know all about how statistics are manipulated and 'gamed'. Personally I'd say good A level results was more than enough for primary but that's just my view. Also again, you are still comparing different professions as if they were the same.....Nursing has been carried out in this country without degree requirement since until very recently. In my view its introduction was damaging elitist nonsense which very predictably significantly reduced applications and with the vote to leave the EU showed up those who advocated for it as rather short sighted. Anyway, I've had my say and I at least withdraw my earlier criticism that you wouldn't engage in a discussion in and around your profession with a layman like myself. Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2018 11.38pm) Thank you Stirling I can't find anything online any more on how much training SRNs did, I recall it was plenty. The difference really is that was whilst they worked, so they were paid during study. The support previously given to getting a nursing Degree has now gone, what a dumb move.
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Croydon 29 Oct 18 11.17am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Mmmmmm....surely most basic nursing skills are little different...at least not to the extent of requiring degrees...and for where specialisation is required I have already answered.

As for degree requirements at teaching primary level....What serious improvements have degrees at primary level resulted in?...I know all about how statistics are manipulated and 'gamed'. Personally I'd say good A level results was more than enough for primary but that's just my view.

Also again, you are still comparing different professions as if they were the same.....Nursing has been carried out in this country without degree requirement since until very recently.

In my view its introduction was damaging elitist nonsense which very predictably significantly reduced applications and with the vote to leave the EU showed up those who advocated for it as rather short sighted.

Anyway, I've had my say and I at least withdraw my earlier criticism that you wouldn't engage in a discussion in and around your profession with a layman like myself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (28 Oct 2018 11.38pm)

Thank you Stirling

I can't find anything online any more on how much training SRNs did, I recall it was plenty.

The difference really is that was whilst they worked, so they were paid during study. The support previously given to getting a nursing Degree has now gone, what a dumb move.

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Stirlingsays 29 Oct 18 11.22am
Originally posted by Mapletree Thank you Stirling I can't find anything online any more on how much training SRNs did, I recall it was plenty. The difference really is that was whilst they worked, so they were paid during study. The support previously given to getting a nursing Degree has now gone, what a dumb move. I couldn't agree more. While we may have our differences politically you work in a very important role and I can only wish you success within it whatever wind the political gods may blow your way. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Oct 18 11.22am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Thank you Stirling

I can't find anything online any more on how much training SRNs did, I recall it was plenty.

The difference really is that was whilst they worked, so they were paid during study. The support previously given to getting a nursing Degree has now gone, what a dumb move.

I couldn't agree more.

While we may have our differences politically you work in a very important role and I can only wish you success within it whatever wind the political gods may blow your way.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Pussay Patrol 29 Oct 18 2.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Defend Osborne? Na....never liked him....never voted Tory while Osborne and Cameron headed the party and I'd rather vote Corbyn than for that feminist May. I vote Ukip. But you put out a statement that could have come directly from Osborne's north and south. Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Oct 2018 10.43am) You defend the UK democractic process as in your eyes the EU is not democratic, but you didn't vote for Cameron, you didn't for vote for Osbourne, or May. However, you did vote UKIP, who didn't get a single seat in Parliament, go figure. So when people argue about democracy you do wonder what part of democracy they are defending because as voters you actually hold very little power. Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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29 Oct 18 2.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Defend Osborne? Na....never liked him....never voted Tory while Osborne and Cameron headed the party and I'd rather vote Corbyn than for that feminist May.

I vote Ukip.

But you put out a statement that could have come directly from Osborne's north and south.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Oct 2018 10.43am)

You defend the UK democractic process as in your eyes the EU is not democratic, but you didn't vote for Cameron, you didn't for vote for Osbourne, or May. However, you did vote UKIP, who didn't get a single seat in Parliament, go figure.

So when people argue about democracy you do wonder what part of democracy they are defending because as voters you actually hold very little power.

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 29 Oct 18 3.45pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol You defend the UK democractic process as in your eyes the EU is not democratic, but you didn't vote for Cameron, you didn't for vote for Osbourne, or May. However, you did vote UKIP, who didn't get a single seat in Parliament, go figure. So when people argue about democracy you do wonder what part of democracy they are defending because as voters you actually hold very little power. ? 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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29 Oct 18 3.45pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So when people argue about democracy you do wonder what part of democracy they are defending because as voters you actually hold very little power.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Badger11 Beckenham 29 Oct 18 3.53pm
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol You defend the UK democractic process as in your eyes the EU is not democratic, but you didn't vote for Cameron, you didn't for vote for Osbourne, or May. However, you did vote UKIP, who didn't get a single seat in Parliament, go figure. So when people argue about democracy you do wonder what part of democracy they are defending because as voters you actually hold very little power. Fair comment but one is not exclusive of the other Brexit is just the start.: - Brexit - UK Bill of Rights to replace the European Court of Human Rights - Halve the The House of Lords, make it elected by proportional representation with a set number of seats. - Reduce the number of MP's in Parliament. - Devolve more power to the national and regional assemblies. There will be others but the above is a good start. One more point
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Beckenham 29 Oct 18 3.53pm

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So when people argue about democracy you do wonder what part of democracy they are defending because as voters you actually hold very little power.

Fair comment but one is not exclusive of the other Brexit is just the start.:

- Brexit
- UK Bill of Rights to replace the European Court of Human Rights
- Halve the The House of Lords, make it elected by proportional representation with a set number of seats.
- Reduce the number of MP's in Parliament.
- Devolve more power to the national and regional assemblies.

There will be others but the above is a good start.

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dannyboy1978 31 Oct 18 7.39am
I find this hilarious!! In one breath George Osbourne stated "He said the Tories had got things wrong on immigration policy which "opened up the door in the referendum". Followed by. "He told the BBC's Newsnight that Remain supporters had explained the benefits of EU membership "too late"." Well George maybe point number one is more important to people and you have highlighted brexit in two sentences. What a errr clever man. Not. BBC News - George Osborne 'regrets' mistakes that led to Brexit vote [Link] Who would listne to this wally !! [Link] [Link] Edited by dannyboy1978 (31 Oct 2018 7.43am)
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31 Oct 18 7.39am

I find this hilarious!!

In one breath George Osbourne stated
"He said the Tories had got things wrong on immigration policy which "opened up the door in the referendum".

Followed by.

"He told the BBC's Newsnight that Remain supporters had explained the benefits of EU membership "too late"."

Well George maybe point number one is more important to people and you have highlighted brexit in two sentences. What a errr clever man. Not.

BBC News - George Osborne 'regrets' mistakes that led to Brexit vote
[Link]

Who would listne to this wally !!

[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (31 Oct 2018 7.43am)

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 31 Oct 18 7.58am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger What do you think? What is happening is exactly what you would predict if the elite wished to control populations. I'm hoping the 2021 census raises a few eyebrows, I doubt anything will change though we will just be told we need more & more immigration & for anyone to speak up against it will be smeared with the usual npc responses. Brilliant video here by iconoclast [Link] The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 31 Oct 18 7.58am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

What do you think?

What is happening is exactly what you would predict if the elite wished to control populations.

I'm hoping the 2021 census raises a few eyebrows, I doubt anything will change though we will just be told we need more & more immigration & for anyone to speak up against it will be smeared with the usual npc responses.

Brilliant video here by iconoclast
[Link]

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 31 Oct 18 10.45am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol You defend the UK democractic process as in your eyes the EU is not democratic, but you didn't vote for Cameron, you didn't for vote for Osbourne, or May. However, you did vote UKIP, who didn't get a single seat in Parliament, go figure. So when people argue about democracy you do wonder what part of democracy they are defending because as voters you actually hold very little power. The power was getting David Cameron to hold the EU referendum. The power was winning said referendum.
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Beckenham 31 Oct 18 10.45am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

So when people argue about democracy you do wonder what part of democracy they are defending because as voters you actually hold very little power.

The power was getting David Cameron to hold the EU referendum. The power was winning said referendum.

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Hrolf The Ganger 31 Oct 18 11.09am
Originally posted by Ouzo Dan I'm hoping the 2021 census raises a few eyebrows, I doubt anything will change though we will just be told we need more & more immigration & for anyone to speak up against it will be smeared with the usual npc responses. Brilliant video here by iconoclast [Link] I expect conventional censuses to be stopped very soon. Too revealing. I also expect that many will avoid it anyway. No illegal will fill in a census form.
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Originally posted by Ouzo Dan

I'm hoping the 2021 census raises a few eyebrows, I doubt anything will change though we will just be told we need more & more immigration & for anyone to speak up against it will be smeared with the usual npc responses.

Brilliant video here by iconoclast
[Link]

I expect conventional censuses to be stopped very soon. Too revealing.
I also expect that many will avoid it anyway. No illegal will fill in a census form.

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Badger11 Beckenham 31 Oct 18 11.45am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 I find this hilarious!! In one breath George Osbourne stated "He said the Tories had got things wrong on immigration policy which "opened up the door in the referendum". Followed by. "He told the BBC's Newsnight that Remain supporters had explained the benefits of EU membership "too late"." Well George maybe point number one is more important to people and you have highlighted brexit in two sentences. What a errr clever man. Not. BBC News - George Osborne 'regrets' mistakes that led to Brexit vote [Link] Who would listne to this wally !! [Link] [Link] Edited by dannyboy1978 (31 Oct 2018 7.43am) Remainers claim that Project Fear is made up by Brexiteers yet Osbourne statement is exactly that. He chose the worst case scenario and then the most vulnerable areas to inflict financial pain. "hiking income tax, alcohol and petrol duties and making massive cuts to the NHS, schools and defence." He could have said this to get the same result: "Cancel HS2 and reduce the annual foreign aid budget" Project fear exists and the bar stewards are still singing from the same hymn book. One more point
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Beckenham 31 Oct 18 11.45am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I find this hilarious!!

In one breath George Osbourne stated
"He said the Tories had got things wrong on immigration policy which "opened up the door in the referendum".

Followed by.

"He told the BBC's Newsnight that Remain supporters had explained the benefits of EU membership "too late"."

Well George maybe point number one is more important to people and you have highlighted brexit in two sentences. What a errr clever man. Not.

BBC News - George Osborne 'regrets' mistakes that led to Brexit vote
[Link]

Who would listne to this wally !!

[Link]

Edited by dannyboy1978 (31 Oct 2018 7.43am)

Remainers claim that Project Fear is made up by Brexiteers yet Osbourne statement is exactly that. He chose the worst case scenario and then the most vulnerable areas to inflict financial pain.

"hiking income tax, alcohol and petrol duties and making massive cuts to the NHS, schools and defence."

He could have said this to get the same result:
"Cancel HS2 and reduce the annual foreign aid budget"

Project fear exists and the bar stewards are still singing from the same hymn book.

One more point

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Badger11 Beckenham 01 Nov 18 12.45pm
i thought I would post this before the Remainers pile in. [Link] Aaron banks is to be investigated over the source of funds he provided for the unofficial leave campaign. Well if true he should be prosecuted but no that doesn't mean we need a re-run of the referendum. One more point
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Beckenham 01 Nov 18 12.45pm

i thought I would post this before the Remainers pile in.

[Link]

Aaron banks is to be investigated over the source of funds he provided for the unofficial leave campaign.
Well if true he should be prosecuted but no that doesn't mean we need a re-run of the referendum.

One more point

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steeleye20 Croydon 01 Nov 18 1.48pm
Originally posted by Badger11 i thought I would post this before the Remainers pile in. [Link] Aaron banks is to be investigated over the source of funds he provided for the unofficial leave campaign. Well if true he should be prosecuted but no that doesn't mean we need a re-run of the referendum. It is all over for 'leave' after this one, just add it to their other transgressions and more to follow. They always were bent as a nine bob note. Brexit it can only be a disaster, Westminster is not equipped to handle any project at all. It looks limp and drab befitting a nation in decline, true to form the opposition supported a budget for a few rich how could they possibly need any more money. Time to end the 'gammon' era.
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Croydon 01 Nov 18 1.48pm

Originally posted by Badger11

i thought I would post this before the Remainers pile in.

[Link]

It is all over for 'leave' after this one, just add it to their other transgressions and more to follow.

They always were bent as a nine bob note.

Brexit it can only be a disaster, Westminster is not equipped to handle any project at all.

It looks limp and drab befitting a nation in decline, true to form the opposition supported a budget for a few rich how could they possibly need any more money.

Time to end the 'gammon' era.

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