It's amusing that you pursue this angle when posting to Dan....someone who literally turned down an arm wrestle.

When or if omicron overtakes Delta as the dominant variant they may as well get rid of these infection control procedures limiting bed capacity. If it spreads anyway and is treatable in hospital then they might as well. But by then the pressure might have eased.

The vaccine has not been in the least bit ineffective. It has been shown to be very effective and while antibodies (initial gatekeepers) may not be a perfect fit with new variants (much like the flu) there has literally still yet to be any significant immune escape for T-Cell immunity (as in once you contract it) even now. So at minimal it's a major buffer against something that would have caused very significant death and illness. To me that's a real positive.

This will inevitably and politically be clouded or contorted by fact that so many people are likely to get ill within the next few weeks and months, hence there are still pressures on hospitals etc. But in comparison to a do nothing approach it will still be a limited hit vs a major one, and from there the virus itself will act as a booster. It's another situation where it's best case but may look sh!tty so people to say it's 'ineffective'.

There's a sensible mid way point on most things, but this place generally doesn't do that. It's bound to be a tough few months and personally I'm against further lockdowns, because I don't see that a slight delay of something that's especially transmissible is worth the hit to business, mental health etc. We've made significant sacrifices and put ourselves in the best position possible so that has to be for a purpose. Those who are especially vulnerable should make the best choices for themselves and we should ride out this storm. Time to take it on the chin, but not in conjunction with 'why get vaccinated, test, care' in tow. Every positive move has a positive effect. Swanning though it without a care may activate 'big man' mode, but it helps to consider others and what they are facing along the way. To an extent we do have a duty to others.

Edited by BlueJay (12 Dec 2021 2.11am)

So I know absolutely nothing about how immunity works nor the medical, profession - just not my bag. However, I have had my jabs (all three) as has the other half.
My concern is that, for the 2nd consecutive year, we have been beset by colds, flu, sore throats etc. This is not something that normally hits me, having only had 2 weeks sick in over 30 years and then enforced following minor heart surgery.
Whilst I understand that lockdown perhaps stopped these things circulating this has hit us quite hard and the only things that appear to have changed are lockdown and the jab. (2 x AZ and a Pfizer booster).
Could the jabs have hit my immune system and be responsible? I.E. built up immunity for one illness and maybe hit immunity for other milder problems? As I said I have no knowledge of these things or even if it’s possible but the ever disappearing AZ jab and our being hit by everything under the sun is causing me to wonder. I’m not alone in these illnesses either, many people are getting hit badly here.
I’ve had LF’s (do a few a week), PCR’s and none of this is Covid. Something just doesn’t feel right. I mean, where IS the AZ jab and booster?

Edited by Helmet46 (12 Dec 2021 10.38am)

So I know absolutely nothing about how immunity works nor the medical, profession - just not my bag. However, I have had my jabs (all three) as has the other half.
My concern is that, for the 2nd consecutive year, we have been beset by colds, flu, sore throats etc. This is not something that normally hits me, having only had 2 weeks sick in over 30 years and then enforced following minor heart surgery.
Whilst I understand that lockdown perhaps stopped these things circulating this has hit us quite hard and the only things that appear to have changed are lockdown and the jab. (2 x AZ and a Pfizer booster).
Could the jabs have hit my immune system and be responsible? I.E. built up immunity for one illness and maybe hit immunity for other milder problems? As I said I have no knowledge of these things or even if it’s possible but the ever disappearing AZ jab and our being hit by everything under the sun is causing me to wonder. I’m not alone in these illnesses either, many people are getting hit badly here.
I’ve had LF’s (do a few a week), PCR’s and none of this is Covid. Something just doesn’t feel right. I mean, where IS the AZ jab and booster?

Ps - I’m not one for conspiracy theories either, and was happy to have all 3 jabs.

Edited by Helmet46 (12 Dec 2021 10.46am)

This is not a side effect of any vaccination

Common colds and other respiratory tract infections tend to ramp up in September when the schools go back and autumn arrives, but after 18 months of social distancing and mask wearing, many people are thought to have weaker immune defences to protect themselves against the onslaught of respiratory viruses.

With reduced immunity across the board, people may fall ill with viruses they would normally have fended off with little trouble, or develop co-infections that make them feel more poorly. This is particularly likely if the viruses that have been kept at bay by anti-Covid measures all bounce back at once.

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Think yourself lucky you haven't had the Norovirus too

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