From those who can honestly be regarded as on the left you are the clearest example of a conspiracy theorist who has ever posted on these boards from when I've been here.

I'll state it once again....and again, it was what I predicted to you years ago. There was zero evidence presented to connect Trump to the lies you and the Democrats pushed for years.

Once again, zero evidence to connect Trump to the claims made.....Even Trump's own lawyer who ended up turning against him had nothing regarding Russia/Trump and illegal collusion. All those people you mentioned....who would have sung like a canary (which is why they went after them) had nothing.

As for the The Steele dossier....do you mean that Clinton funded scam that has been shown to have nothing in it other than claims and what could be confirmed didn't have Trump doing anything illegal.

Mueller's commentary was just as much of a nothing burger as I predicted it would be. He tried to justify a deliberately politically driven investigation to distract and tangle up the Trump administration in an façade which cost the US taxpayer many wasted millions....over ten If I remember correctly and Mueller said whatever he could while not actually saying Trump was guilty of anything....Anyone who watched him give evidence saw that he was very very careful not to make the kind of claims that liars you believed made.

So when you come on here call Hrolf and others a 'conspiracy theorist'. Realise that there are many who laugh at your lack of self awareness.

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There was no resistance to investigations though. That is just another conspiracy theory. Courts and their Judges investigated and repeatedly found there weren't cases to answer or that any miscalculations were simply errors that had no impact on results.

People went out of their way, many of them responsible and hard-working Republican officials and lawmakers, to try to reassure and show that democracy and the rule of law had prevailed. Nothing though satisfied those who had been wound up to believe a lie.

That you repeat that lie now just demonstrates how invasive this technique can be.

There seems to me to be an obvious distinction in credibility between an unproven, but reasonably possible, explanation of an event and the type of things generally described as conspiracy theories. The latter might stitch together some real events as their foundation but will then add layers of improbabilities designed to reach conclusions which support specific prejudices.

Those who believe in conspiracy theories won't, of course, either see or believe that. That's the nature of their prejudices dominating reason.

Thanks for the laughs that gave me. For you to suggest I have a "lack of self awareness" actually made me laugh out loud. Coming from you that is really rich.

That you perceive me as "on the left" says 100 times more about your own political position than ever it does mine. I detest leftish politics almost as much as I do yours on the extreme right. I am, once again, a fiscal conservative with a social conscience.

If you bothered to read what I wrote the ONLY reason the evidence wasn't presented was because of Barr's ruling. Not that it doesn't exist. There is circumstantial evidence in plain sight. Michael Cohen was kept at arms length on the politics. He handled the personal stuff. He fixed the scandals. His evidence was all to do with denying payoffs and nothing to with Russia. Trump's WH counsel Don McGahn, who feared being set up as the fall guy over the obstruction of justice charges, had refused Trump's request to sack Mueller, threatening to resign instead. He did eventually resign and could yet be a key witness.

Does asking your WH counsel to sack the special investigator who is investigating you seem like the action of an innocent man?

Mueller was cautious with his words in front of the Congressional committee and said that his report spoke for itself. That report had been carefully constructed and heavily redacted and I suspect he did not want to compromise any future indictments with misplaced comments that could be used by a defence team. Seems wise to me.

So if you think all Mueller produced was a "nothing burger" then you are living in cloud-cuckoo-land. This was a very thorough and serious investigation into the most disgraceful episode in recent US political life.

Until, of course, Trump topped it with the "stolen election" lie.

There you go again.

One more time. Calling something a conspiracy theory does not have any baring on its accuracy.

Your prejudice is clear, and it seems that you will happily trust any organization or body that supports that prejudice without question.

Without evidence the case remains unproven, but don't try and tell me that you actually care what the truth is.
You only care about defending your politics at all costs.

As I have no interest at all in who supports me, or not, I fail to see the significance of that comment. My views are my own. What on earth is the "actual right" and who are you to define it anyway? There are many shades of conservatism. You are certainly on the right though. So far on the right though that you exclude yourself from belonging to mainstream conservatism. You are no more a conservative than I am a socialist.