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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 05 Dec 17 1.21pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Mstrobez

The biggest problem for Parish is as far as I can see he has little leverage over the council. Whilst they'd be foolish to not get behind such an exciting plan, it's by no means a foregone conclusion.

From what I understand, Steve Parish explored options of moving grounds and this was impossible due to other local councils and finance.

It's tough to apply pressure on the person opposite at the table when you have very little alternatives to the grand plan, Croydon will know this and so will Sainsburys. It must be said, one of my initial thoughts after admiring the beauty of the design, was that there seemed to be a whole lot of space surrounding the ground that's seemingly appeared from thin air.

I think everyone can agree we all wanna see this go through, but blindly putting your fingers in your ears to the potential pitfalls and shouting down any who still have some skepticism doesn't remove the realities of the situation.

If the due diligence has not been carried out by SP prior to submitting this application then more the fool him, because the suggestions being made here are that the pre-emptive work has not been carried out and he is winging it. That is not the way you deal with major planning applications and I would be very annoyed as a supporter if he has been advised to act in that way.

 

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Mstrobez Flag 05 Dec 17 1.27pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

If the due diligence has not been carried out by SP prior to submitting this application then more the fool him, because the suggestions being made here are that the pre-emptive work has not been carried out and he is winging it. That is not the way you deal with major planning applications and I would be very annoyed as a supporter if he has been advised to act in that way.

I just hope that he wouldn't be that stupid. One would think that surely he wouldn't stage such an announcement unless it was near guaranteed deliverable, that's what I'm clinging onto. But Parish by nature is a chancer, his skill set epitomises risk taking and going for broke. Probably not a bad facet in the advertising game, but not all that sensible in football at the top level, especially in the sub context of multi million pound infrastcuture investment.

Fingers crossed.

Edited by Mstrobez (05 Dec 2017 1.29pm)

 


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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Mstrobez

The biggest problem for Parish is as far as I can see he has little leverage over the council. Whilst they'd be foolish to not get behind such an exciting plan, it's by no means a foregone conclusion.

From what I understand, Steve Parish explored options of moving grounds and this was impossible due to other local councils and finance.

It's tough to apply pressure on the person opposite at the table when you have very little alternatives to the grand plan, Croydon will know this and so will Sainsburys. It must be said, one of my initial thoughts after admiring the beauty of the design, was that there seemed to be a whole lot of space surrounding the ground that's seemingly appeared from thin air.

I think everyone can agree we all wanna see this go through, but blindly putting your fingers in your ears to the potential pitfalls and shouting down any who still have some skepticism doesn't remove the realities of the situation.


When playing poker you have to have a card up your sleeve...having said that...it makes sense for EVERYONE (Sainsburys incl) for the plans for redevelopment to go ahead...if we moved site South Norwood business would fold quicker than WHAMS defence

 


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Mstrobez Flag 05 Dec 17 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

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Originally posted by Lyons550


When playing poker you have to have a card up your sleeve...having said that...it makes sense for EVERYONE (Sainsburys incl) for the plans for redevelopment to go ahead...if we moved site South Norwood business would fold quicker than WHAMS defence

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 05 Dec 17 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I just hope that he wouldn't be that stupid. One would think that surely he wouldn't stage such an announcement unless it was near guaranteed deliverable, that's what I'm clinging onto. But Parish by nature is a chancer, his skill set epitomises risk taking and going for broke. Probably not a bad facet in the advertising game, but not all that sensible in football at the top level, especially in the sub context of multi million pound infrastcuture investment.

Fingers crossed.

Edited by Mstrobez (05 Dec 2017 1.29pm)

That is exactly the way I am looking at it.

 

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Dec 17 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

If the due diligence has not been carried out by SP prior to submitting this application then more the fool him, because the suggestions being made here are that the pre-emptive work has not been carried out and he is winging it. That is not the way you deal with major planning applications and I would be very annoyed as a supporter if he has been advised to act in that way.

At some point you might realise that this is clearly a case of piling the pressure on Sainsburys and the council with nothing guaranteed to happen. I think the council will come round, with some objections from locals along the way. But it's foolish to think Sainsburys are going to crumble under a new stadium presentation. The plans are buildings on land they own and they've publicly claimed they haven't been made aware of it. All we know is that Parish said a while back they wanted a high price for a slither of car park.

You can lap it all up. I'll celebrate when it's all been agreed, and currently absolutely nothing has.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Dec 17 1.43pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I just hope that he wouldn't be that stupid. One would think that surely he wouldn't stage such an announcement unless it was near guaranteed deliverable, that's what I'm clinging onto. But Parish by nature is a chancer, his skill set epitomises risk taking and going for broke. Probably not a bad facet in the advertising game, but not all that sensible in football at the top level, especially in the sub context of multi million pound infrastcuture investment.

Fingers crossed.

Edited by Mstrobez (05 Dec 2017 1.29pm)

Sainsburys are quoted in the Advertiser saying they're unaware of any of this and you can rest assured it's not going to be as easy as some small local business or a factory coincidentally burning down one night.

Let's hope this happens but Parish said we'll be doing it if relegated next season so that might hint he anticipates a long road ahead and not a smooth one that's as guaranteed as you hope.

 


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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Mstrobez

I just hope that he wouldn't be that stupid. One would think that surely he wouldn't stage such an announcement unless it was near guaranteed deliverable, that's what I'm clinging onto. But Parish by nature is a chancer, his skill set epitomises risk taking and going for broke. Probably not a bad facet in the advertising game, but not all that sensible in football at the top level, especially in the sub context of multi million pound infrastcuture investment.

Fingers crossed.

Perhaps he's going for the "Announce the biggest plan Possible, knowing that he'll have to make concessions along he way - so we end up with what we wanted in the first place" kinda of move.

 


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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 05 Dec 17 1.46pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

At some point you might realise that this is clearly a case of piling the pressure on Sainsburys and the council with nothing guaranteed to happen. I think the council will come round, with some objections from locals along the way. But it's foolish to think Sainsburys are going to crumble under a new stadium presentation. The plans are buildings on land they own and they've publicly claimed they haven't been made aware of it. All we know is that Parish said a while back they wanted a high price for a slither of car park.

You can lap it all up. I'll celebrate when it's all been agreed, and currently absolutely nothing has.

Do you know exactly what Sainsburys does and does not own, I have never seen a plan showing this? The planning application documents should show who owns what land and we can then see how that will impact the development.

 

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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Sainsburys are quoted in the Advertiser saying they're unaware of any of this and you can rest assured it's not going to be as easy as some small local business or a factory coincidentally burning down one night.

Let's hope this happens but Parish said we'll be doing it if relegated next season so that might hint he anticipates a long road ahead and not a smooth one that's as guaranteed as you hope.

We are at the foothills at the moment and the journey could well be long and arduous.

Perhaps the end product will look somewhat different to that being displayed at the moment !

Edited by Willo (05 Dec 2017 1.48pm)

 

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Mstrobez Flag 05 Dec 17 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Sainsburys are quoted in the Advertiser saying they're unaware of any of this and you can rest assured it's not going to be as easy as some small local business or a factory coincidentally burning down one night.

Let's hope this happens but Parish said we'll be doing it if relegated next season so that might hint he anticipates a long road ahead and not a smooth one that's as guaranteed as you hope.

In fairness, who knows what kind of connections Parish has on the black market.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Dec 17 1.56pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Stadium plans' by bexleydave

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Do you know exactly what Sainsburys does and does not own, I have never seen a plan showing this? The planning application documents should show who owns what land and we can then see how that will impact the development.

I can't remember which bits Sainsburys own but I'm 100% sure that the new stand eats up and is planned to be built on land Sainsburys own and cpfc do not.

Impact the development? It either happens with us buying and owning the land Sainsburys own that we need or it doesn't.

 


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