Certainly. From what it thought so far (which is at least as valuable as your surmising), you're significantly more likely to have very mild symptoms post vaccination than you are if you don't. Unless you are stuck in 'me mode' and just thinking about what might happen to you rather than community wide of consequence of not bothering, which appears to be the major stumbling block of some. Along with a misunderstanding or aversion to statistics and probability.

Edited by BlueJay (12 Dec 2021 2.07am)

The vaccine has not been in the least bit ineffective. It has been shown to be very effective and while antibodies (initial gatekeepers) may not be a perfect fit with new variants (much like the flu) there has literally still yet to be any significant immune escape for T-Cell immunity (as in once you contract it) even now. So at minimal it's a major buffer against something that would have caused very significant death and illness. To me that's a real positive.

This will inevitably and politically be clouded or contorted by fact that so many people are likely to get ill within the next few weeks and months, hence there are still pressures on hospitals etc. But in comparison to a do nothing approach it will still be a limited hit vs a major one, and from there the virus itself will act as a booster. It's another situation where it's best case but may look sh!tty so people to say it's 'ineffective'.

There's a sensible mid way point on most things, but this place generally doesn't do that. It's bound to be a tough few months and personally I'm against further lockdowns, because I don't see that a slight delay of something that's especially transmissible is worth the hit to business, mental health etc. We've made significant sacrifices and put ourselves in the best position possible so that has to be for a purpose. Those who are especially vulnerable should make the best choices for themselves and we should ride out this storm. Time to take it on the chin, but not in conjunction with 'why get vaccinated, test, care' in tow. Every positive move has a positive effect. Swanning though it without a care may activate 'big man' mode, but it helps to consider others and what they are facing along the way. To an extent we do have a duty to others.

Edited by BlueJay (12 Dec 2021 2.11am)

Everyone wanted to be an individual, but now it's being part of a small-ish clan that is being oppressed. Look at how fast the Banksy T-shirts sold out

I disengage, I turn the page.

I have just taken my wife to our local hospital where she will work a 12 hour shift in A & E. I counted around 20 ambulances waiting outside. At 6.30 am on a Sunday! Apparently these aren't just waiting for the patients to be seen. Many have been triaged, and given initial treatment and medication, normally pain relief, and are then waiting for a bed in the appropriate ward. With wards full and no more beds in A & E, they get put back in the ambulance to wait.

Infection control issues, caused by Covid, slow everything down.

This is the situation now, before the anticipated surge.

I expect that we will be seeing increased restrictions in January, with indoor meeting limited again and hospitals postponing elective surgery.

So I have no idea who you think are "moaning".

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

You must get easily bored. The next time will be the first time.

You have been wrung dry on here in recent days. You haven't got a leg to stand on, yet you persist with the same old arguments.

Best you take one of your sabbaticals, like you do when your tail has been forced between where your legs used to be. Go join Hrolf and you can moan together about lefties and the white tribe being marginalised whilst watching YouTube.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

If you don't get vaccinated -
You could die from covid or be very ill
You could take up valuable hospital space which in turn could stop people who need to have operations to save their lives.
Your selfishness could increase restrictions and the likelihood of another lockdown.
Your selfishness could cause businesses to go to the wall.
Mental health issues and suicides will increase because of restrictions.
In general the majority will suffer because of the minority.
Vaccine passports are the only way so that the anti vaxxers have their freedom restricted massively.