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georgenorman 11 Dec 21 5.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Yeh, minicron is a tiny problem. Omicron hasn’t been around long enough to assess. The total number of confirmed Omicron cases in the UK is 1,898, according to the UK Health Security Agency. Please quote correctly. Omicron could cause between 25,000 and 75,000 deaths in England over the next five months without tougher Covid restrictions, experts have told the government. I did quote correctly.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 21 5.31pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, he's still practicing when he wants to. Also, he correctly stated that NHS contracts forbid current workers from giving views that aren't sanctioned by their employers so I kind of don't like this implication that.....everyone agrees....because that isn't the reality. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2021 2.40pm) It might poop on your parade, but actually he didn't. You might like to read this:- These are general guidelines about candour, but they also cover a worker's right to speak out. "you do not try to prevent employees or former employees raising concerns about patient safety – for example, you must not propose or condone contracts or agreements that seek to restrict or remove the contractor’s freedom to disclose information relevant to their concerns". So if a health care worker justifies their speaking out by saying they are concerned of the consequences for their patients (and what other reason would they have) then they are free to do so.
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georgenorman 11 Dec 21 5.47pm | |
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Government scientist, Professor Neil Ferguson, says Omicron Variant could cause up to 10,000 hospitalisations per day. Neil Ferguson was behind the research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the UK, there were 177 deaths from BSE. In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In reality, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009. In 2009, Ferguson said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the UK. I would suggest that rather than taking Ferguson's advice, it would be better to consult a fortune-telling pig.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 21 5.49pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Part of the reason the NHS is under massive strain is due to the fear mongering that has created its staffing crises. The very people pointing at others are in fact partly responsible for creating the situation. Total BS. There has been understaffing for decades. There has been no "fear-mongering" at all. There have been prescient warnings which have resulted in sensible precautions being taken to try to flatten out the impact of the pandemic. Now we have both a stressed and tired NHS staff, some of whom are finding it too much and taking either a break, or finding less stressful roles. Now we face a new variant, said to be highly transmissible, and able to, sometimes, evade the vaccines. This is forecast to result in a surge of infections, which in turn will result in a surge of compulsory self-isolations, for both the infected and those in the same household. NHS workers are also people. They will be caught up in this too, which will exacerbate the staffing crisis, increase the stress, close wards and postpone procedures. The unvaccinated just make things worse, when they could so easily help to make things better. We all have to accept to do things we don't want to sometimes. Either because of a law or because someone else's needs are greater. This is the latter. Just do it!
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Teddy Eagle 11 Dec 21 6.13pm | |
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Dec 21 6.13pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Government scientist, Professor Neil Ferguson, says Omicron Variant could cause up to 10,000 hospitalisations per day. Neil Ferguson was behind the research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the UK, there were 177 deaths from BSE. In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In reality, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009. In 2009, Ferguson said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the UK. I would suggest that rather than taking Ferguson's advice, it would be better to consult a fortune-telling pig. He was right on the first 4. It was only in 2009 when he didn’t state ‘’up to’’ that he got it wrong.
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georgenorman 11 Dec 21 6.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
He was right on the first 4. It was only in 2009 when he didn’t state ‘’up to’’ that he got it wrong. Why don't we make things clear and just say "up to the entire population of the world could die of Covid".
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Dec 21 6.29pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Why don't we make things clear and just say "up to the entire population of the world could die of Covid". That might be his last pandemic prediction before retirement. Go out on a high, or a mistress in an open relationship during a deadly pandemic.
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Stirlingsays 11 Dec 21 6.37pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Government scientist, Professor Neil Ferguson, says Omicron Variant could cause up to 10,000 hospitalisations per day. Neil Ferguson was behind the research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the UK, there were 177 deaths from BSE. In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In reality, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009. In 2009, Ferguson said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the UK. I would suggest that rather than taking Ferguson's advice, it would be better to consult a fortune-telling pig. Yeah, but the mainstream use the word, 'expert' and you're just meant to accept that what is being delivered meets that standard. It's the argument from authority fallacy.
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 21 6.39pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
I did quote correctly. Nope. ‘We could expect’ is not what was said.
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 21 6.41pm | |
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Well done. Now look up the rates for fully vaccinated, which I quoted earlier.
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Mapletree Croydon 11 Dec 21 6.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Ok, very few then. Very very few. But no, 25000-75,000. If we had no social controls in place that figure may be accurate When you have managed in crises you know that you have to react very fast and very hard. You can always ease off once you have a better assessment of the situation. The consequences of an under reaction are far too serious to take risks Some on here would barely touch the brakes just before the motorway pile up.
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