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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Dec 21 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

You aren't banging on again about a retired ENT specialist surely. Groan.

Well, he's still practicing when he wants to.

Also, he correctly stated that NHS contracts forbid current workers from giving views that aren't sanctioned by their employers so I kind of don't like this implication that.....everyone agrees....because that isn't the reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2021 2.40pm)

 


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'Scientists' who are among those advising the government on Covid have just announced that we could expect 75,000 deaths by April from the omicron variant in England alone and 2,400 hospital admissions a day.
Yesterday, the World Health Organisation confrimed that there have been zero deaths from the omicron variant worldwide. Recently, the NHS reported that there had been zero hospital admissions in the UK of people with the minicron variant.

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Dec 21 4.23pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

'Scientists' who are among those advising the government on Covid have just announced that we could expect 75,000 deaths by April from the omicron variant in England alone and 2,400 hospital admissions a day.
Yesterday, the World Health Organisation confrimed that there have been zero deaths from the omicron variant worldwide. Recently, the NHS reported that there had been zero hospital admissions in the UK of people with the minicron variant.

Edited by georgenorman (11 Dec 2021 2.40pm)

The BBC News website has that study saying between 25,000 and 75,000 deaths. It didn’t mention there could be zero deaths. I expect the pitiful study didn’t say zero was a possibility.

Where I disagree with you is your point the NHS have reported zero hospitalisations from omicron. It hasn’t been here long enough in big numbers for the hospitalisations yet. Hopefully the numbers will be contained enough. There will be a lot of people scratching around for a crumb of data, or an irrelevant or incomplete point to save face if hospitalisations get out of control. Hopefully they won’t.

I’m pretty sick of the BS claims from both sides of the argument. It’s either no deaths on one side or 25,000-75,000 on the other. The truth is nobody knows but we’re waiting to see how mild or how hospitalising omicron is in the UK because nobody yet knows. That’s the only thing that is true, while the garbage from either side continues. If people want to talk about other effects of restrictions then fine, but claiming things they’ve no idea if true or not or wildly exaggerated just makes the arguments worse.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Dec 21 4.25pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

'Scientists' who are among those advising the government on Covid have just announced that we could expect 75,000 deaths by April from the omicron variant in England alone and 2,400 hospital admissions a day.
Yesterday, the World Health Organisation confrimed that there have been zero deaths from the omicron variant worldwide. Recently, the NHS reported that there had been zero hospital admissions in the UK of people with the minicron variant.

Edited by georgenorman (11 Dec 2021 2.40pm)

Yeh, minicron is a tiny problem. Omicron hasn’t been around long enough to assess.

The total number of confirmed Omicron cases in the UK is 1,898, according to the UK Health Security Agency.

Please quote correctly. Omicron could cause between 25,000 and 75,000 deaths in England over the next five months without tougher Covid restrictions, experts have told the government.

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Dec 21 4.27pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, he's still practicing when he wants to.

Also, he correctly stated that NHS contracts forbid current workers from giving views that aren't sanctioned by their employers so I kind of don't like this implication that.....everyone agrees....because that isn't the reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2021 2.40pm)

I guess you aren’t aware of Whistleblowing law which is located in the Employment Rights Act 1996 (as amended by the Public Interest Disclosure Act 199.

 

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Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 11 Dec 21 4.53pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I guess you aren’t aware of Whistleblowing law which is located in the Employment Rights Act 1996 (as amended by the Public Interest Disclosure Act 199.

All well and good, but employment opportunities are much reduced for those that blow the whistle. To the extent they are effectively retired,...or getting extradited to the USA

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Dec 21 4.54pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I guess you aren’t aware of Whistleblowing law which is located in the Employment Rights Act 1996 (as amended by the Public Interest Disclosure Act 199.

Yeah....that's really worked out for whistle blowers hasn't it Maple.

Also, I'm not sure that having a different opinion really amounts to 'whistle blowing'.

Talking of whistle blowers, I hear we are shipping the biggest one of all...Assange, right back to his main enemy.

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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Dec 21 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yeh, minicron is a tiny problem. Omicron hasn’t been around long enough to assess.

The total number of confirmed Omicron cases in the UK is 1,898, according to the UK Health Security Agency.

Please quote correctly. Omicron could cause between 25,000 and 75,000 deaths in England over the next five months without tougher Covid restrictions, experts have told the government.

Yeah, and omicron could also cause zero deaths. Or is that because of hospital care, and is that what they mean (more likely no hospital care rather than turning people away). Sorry, there does need to be some taking stock of what’s coming, but 75,000 deaths over the next 5 months without restrictions? Does this mean restrictions until end of April or July? These scare tactics work with some people but cause others to call them the BS they are, or look more like they are, and decide to ignore all advice because of such scare tactics.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Dec 21 5.03pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

All well and good, but employment opportunities are much reduced for those that blow the whistle. To the extent they are effectively retired,...or getting extradited to the USA

And you know this how? If there were a genuine concern it would be raised, not least of all due to The Hypocratic Oath. Whistleblowers have protection and in an organisation like the NHS that would certainly stick, especially if it were a senior doctor. This is simple prejudice using every possible excuse. I am stunned how unscientific the debate on here is and how people clutch at straws from tiny outlier opinions from people with relatively low levels of knowledge. Read The Lancet or the BMJ if you want peer tested facts not whacko pro life us online sites

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Dec 21 5.05pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yeah, and omicron could also cause zero deaths. Or is that because of hospital care, and is that what they mean (more likely no hospital care rather than turning people away). Sorry, there does need to be some taking stock of what’s coming, but 75,000 deaths over the next 5 months without restrictions? Does this mean restrictions until end of April or July? These scare tactics work with some people but cause others to call them the BS they are, or look more like they are, and decide to ignore all advice because of such scare tactics.

Yes, it is feasible it will cause zero deaths. If you really believe that bet your house on it. I don't.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 21 5.07pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


While I respect all public workers and was one myself....that's their job.

I educated the kid I didn't like as well.....Did I expect a round of applause for it?

Wally.

That you wish to conflate the "kid you didn't like" with adults whose actions threaten the ability of NHS staff to save the lives of others, says quite a lot about you!

Disruptive kids get excluded from school. NHS staff don't exclude people because they "don't like them". They don't even exclude them when they are disruptive. Maybe they should, but they won't.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 11 Dec 21 5.09pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yes, it is feasible it will cause zero deaths. If you really believe that bet your house on it. I don't.

Ok, very few then. Very very few. But no, 25000-75,000.

 


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