I don't understand your point. On this occasion mine was that, in particular recently, businesses are being prevented from hiring crucial resources that are available in abundance overseas. I believe that largely we are being crippled by politics.

The nurses are budgeted for, we just can't get them. So instead the few that are around are sold on as temps by agencies who take a massive cut just for keeping - often relatively poor - nurses churning through the system. And it isn't only the public sector, by any means. There are plenty of private dementia services in need of RMNs that simply are not allowed to bring them in. And it's going to get a whole whole whole lot worse by the time I am even more cuckoo and need them.

We do have quite a few Romanian and Polish nurses. Sadly I have been watching them going back to Poland (where incomes are now rising steeply) or on to Germany and the Benelux countries. When I ask why they say they don't trust the UK any more.

Is your answer. We need to cut the waste from the NHS dare I say people in HR & other non essential other departments !!

Pro USA & Israel

Before the EU we had sufficient nurses.....this is all decision making from the highest level, which feeds down to the local.

We will leave the EU and we will train a higher proportion of our own nurses....or we won't.....The decision has nothing to do some idea that we require the EU to field our own hospitals.

This will no doubt be a part of the 'turbulence' we will experience making that transition.

Relying upon foreigners and 'brain drains' was and is never a good idea in the first place. We should be looking after and rewarding our own nurses first and foremost to ensure we retain them......Expediency as ever....knows no bounds.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Oct 2018 11.14pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

The service should have been stretching a lot longer than ten years ago.

Like I said, that's the folly of leaders and decisions made out of expediency. To leave yourself in a position where you rely on foreigners, especially in a country that has never been particularly pro EU is well ...well...actually it isn't that surprising, if my experience of managers in teaching is anything to go by, many a poor long term decision is made to produce short term results (and as s*** rolls downhill in reality those lower tier decisions are compromised).

The service will adjust to fit the new dynamics. This isn't my field obviously but I imagine the 'turbulence' will result in a poorer service until budgets fit the new requirements.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

And even when you do qualify, the pay is sh*t (relatively).

I don’t know why anyone would do it nowadays; X years of studying and massive debts, just to start out working every hour of the day for £25k a year.

Another load of excuses and failures from brexiteers unable to see that they and Brexit are the problem.

This time we are losing EU nurses who are quite rightly turning their backs on what a s***e placed we are becoming.

In their banana logic it is actually good that we lose EU nurses when we don't have enough nurses as it is.

Brexiteers should be placed under house arrest and barred from voting and the NHS.

They should also be refused food and medecines in favour of remainers, after their homes are conviscated to pay the divorce bill.

What to do with them after? Gassing has been suggested but there is a new re-training facility in China that looks ideal.

Even worse, they may be named by Peter Hain.