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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 21 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Wow, talk about a sledgehammer to crack a walnut, this is more like a jack hammer. All the signs are pointing towards a new variant that is more transmissable but causes less harm, funnily enough like the vast majority of viruses that morph along the way and which is entirely what was expected. The talk of locking people down because they have made a choice over what is put in their body (that incidently the post war hippocratic oath actually supports) is way over the top. I have no trouble socialising with the unvaccinated I just hope that if they do catch it they don't get a serious case. That's true, but isn't the point. While uncertainty remains, caution is required. That was the hard lesson from the start of all this. It's not about individual choice. It's about the impact of those choices on the ability of the NHS to function. Hoping people don't suffer too much isn't a consideration. We need to stop thinking about me, me, me and start protecting us, us, us.
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Teddy Eagle  11 Dec 21 11.46am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It will be interesting to see the result. Indonesia has, I think, both a more compliant population and more authoritarian regime. Italy not so. There could be a backlash there. I prefer encouraging donkeys to drink rather than trying to force them too!
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| Teddy Eagle 11 Dec 21 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It will be interesting to see the result. Indonesia has, I think, both a more compliant population and more authoritarian regime. Italy not so. There could be a backlash there. I prefer encouraging donkeys to drink rather than trying to force them too! My wife worked in Indonesia for five years and doesn’t think they’re very compliant at all.
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| Eaglecoops CR3 11 Dec 21 12.01pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That's true, but isn't the point. While uncertainty remains, caution is required. That was the hard lesson from the start of all this. It's not about individual choice. It's about the impact of those choices on the ability of the NHS to function. Hoping people don't suffer too much isn't a consideration. We need to stop thinking about me, me, me and start protecting us, us, us. Yes, for the next week or so caution is required, however yours is a war time type mentality and it should not apply here. There will always be objectors with very valid grounds for non conformity and they should not be punished based on the small risk they pose as a result of their non conformity. You can call them idiots, selfish or whatever but the decision is theirs to make and punishing them for that decision is a very slippery slope to follow for a government and would almost certainly breach their human rights. You summed it up when you said in an earlier post that you are better leading the horse to water rather than forcing them to drink.
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| eaglesdare 11 Dec 21 12.12pm |
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It's mad how most people are pro choice yet they are the first ones to tell you what to do with your body! "My body my choice" until it isint! In terms of the new variant evading the vaccine....of course that would happen! Virus needs to live so they mutate to survive! Most people got vaccinated so they can get their lives back! They don't really care about it! But now even with being vaccinated they have restrictions and lock downs! I just can't wait for the penny to drop for some people and realise it's all a load of s***e now!
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| Bobby216 11 Dec 21 12.13pm |
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This might be an iteresting link for some of you. A doctor with extensive experience in pathology talking very reasonably about the government over reaction to covid19. There's a clip where Boris and Jenny Harries talk about mask wearing being potentially more problematic for disease transmission, discouraging people to wear masks. Ofcourse they later changed their narative on masks, but with no new evidence to back it up. There has been any conclusive evidence to back up mask wearing. The video was made some months ago, but still very relevant. Dr John Lee. He created HART which is a group of highly qualified scientists abd professionals that have real concerns about the unintended consequences of these government policies.
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| Teddy Eagle 11 Dec 21 12.17pm |
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The WHO says current vaccines should work against Omicron.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 21 1.39pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
I am aware of the noise but fail to see how it can be applied in practice. What do we do with those who refuse? Fine them? Jail them? It would create the opposite situation to that we need to achieve. We need to apply pressure without creating martyrs.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 11 Dec 21 1.42pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
My wife worked in Indonesia for five years and doesn’t think they’re very compliant at all. Ok, then I stand corrected. Never been there, although I have been to other SE Asian countries where compliance was pretty good.
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| Teddy Eagle 11 Dec 21 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am aware of the noise but fail to see how it can be applied in practice. What do we do with those who refuse? Fine them? Jail them? It would create the opposite situation to that we need to achieve. We need to apply pressure without creating martyrs. Ask the Indonesians.
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| Stirlingsays 11 Dec 21 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Hypocrisy on fire! It's those who think like this who are self-righteous. I don't think there is any prospect at all of vaccination becoming mandatory. It would be impractical to administer and be counter-productive in that it would turn those now regarded as selfish into martyrs. Exclusion is the way forward. If society bans you from harming yourself, and threatening everyone else, by making the personal use of some drugs illegal, is it not logical that it should expect you to join in when a safe drug has been shown to benefit you, and everyone else? If you take illegal drugs, there are consequences. So if you refuse the safe ones, it surely follows that there also ought to be consequences. This isn't then about you being unable to decide what goes into your body. You can take an illegal drug if you wish, but expect to be punished, or rehabilitated if caught. Refuse the vaccine, and you shouldn't expect to be able to mix with the vaccinated. That's life in a democracy. You are ridiculous, utterly ridiculous. The inability of the NHS to function is entirely down to the fear mongering job that the government and people like you have abetted. You created the very situation you complain about....and then you finger point at people like me...who never made mountains out of viruses because they have always been there. I only want to make my own healthcare choices....you're that type who starts off with 'exclusion' and then moves on to the next phrase....like all authoritarians you will find words to justify any old b0llocks. Edited by Stirlingsays (11 Dec 2021 2.00pm)
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