This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.
The Brexit Thread (LOCKED)
Register | Edit Profile | Subscriptions | Forum Rules | Log In
 Penge Eagle  Beckenham 25 Oct 18 2.05pm |
   |
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Straight out of the tabloids It is on the terms of UK, we are part of the EU. Freedom of movement is something all members agreed to, it wasn't forced on us I don't read tabloids thank you. The UK agreed it but never asked the people. In 2016 they did and got their answer.
|
|
 Alert a moderator to this post | Board Moderator |
 |
| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Oct 18 2.12pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Penge Eagle
We do need immigrants and I have no issue with them. But it should be on the terms of the UK government – not the bureaucrats in Brussels – so it can be managed effectively in terms of social cohesion and public services. It's basic commonsense. Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Oct 2018 1.05pm) Unfortunately common sense is something that will not penetrate. Posters have pointed out that immigration is massively non-EU.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Oct 18 2.14pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I don't read tabloids thank you. The UK agreed it but never asked the people. In 2016 they did and got their answer. The next time there is a vote they won't be able to lie through their teeth so easily.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Oct 18 2.15pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Mapletree
Stirling's point reinforces mine of course The EU immigrants have been net contributors. Sadly, that contribution was not reinvested in providing the infrastructure necessary. In any case, that net contribution group will now be cut off. Firstly, it's inconclusive that EU immigrants are net contributors. One study says EU migrants who arrived after 2001 contributed £1.34 for every £1 took out. But the data also says that figure reduces for the EU migrants who arrived pre-2001. Remember when Tony Blair overestimated the numbers from Poland? So the overall contribution is negligible. And like you say, if there is no extra infrastructure to accommodate the rising population, then that affects all of us in a negative way. Then you have the social cohesion issues too... As for the "net contribution group will now be cut off" that is fake news. Current EU citizens have been told they can stay in the UK. There is nothing stopping the UK from allowing future migrants from any country working here post Brexit. Unless you know something I don't? Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Oct 2018 2.20pm)
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post | Board Moderator |
|
| Mapletree Croydon 25 Oct 18 2.17pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
What? 4 Billion reinvested...solves what nationally? Also when immigration as a whole is costing you 120 billion you are purely plugging holes in the Titanic. This is The Brexit Thread. At a time when the indigenous population made a negative contribution of £591bn, the EU migrants made a positive contribution of £4.4bn. So why throw out what appears to be the only population that is contributing. Goodness knows how we are even afloat. It is also interesting that since 2000 European migrants were 43 per cent less likely than native Britons to receive benefits or tax credits.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Mapletree Croydon 25 Oct 18 2.23pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Firstly, it's inconclusive that EU immigrants are net contributors. One study says EU migrants who arrived after 2001 contributed £1.34 for every £1 took out. But the data also says that figure reduces for the EU migrants who arrived pre-2001. Remember when Tony Blair overestimated the numbers from Poland? So the overall contribution is negligible. And like you say, if there is no extra infrastructure to accommodate the rising population, then that affects all of us. As for the "net contribution group will now be cut off" that is fake news. Current EU citizens have been told they can stay in the UK. There is nothing stopping the UK from allowing future migrants from any country working here post Brexit. Unless you know something I don't? Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Oct 2018 2.18pm) Net EU immigration is slowing to a halt and is likely to reverse around the time of Brexit. Especially as the UK has been pretty non-specific about how they will be managed going forward. Those most able to contribute are more likely to emigrate and we are already seeing a drain of highly capable people. Maybe you haven't looked for a builder in the past year or so. There are far more hospitable places for EU migrants, where they won't have to join a queue for visas and work permits.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Oct 18 2.33pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Mapletree
Net EU immigration is slowing to a halt and is likely to reverse around the time of Brexit. Especially as the UK has been pretty non-specific about how they will be managed going forward. Those most able to contribute are more likely to emigrate and we are already seeing a drain of highly capable people. Maybe you haven't looked for a builder in the past year or so. There are far more hospitable places for EU migrants, where they won't have to join a queue for visas and work permits. Well that is all speculation... But IF less people from the EU want to come to the UK post Brexit, which I find very hard to believe, then the UK has the ability to attract workers from all over the world and set its own immigration policies. Not be dictated to by the EUSSR.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post | Board Moderator |
|
| steeleye20 Croydon 25 Oct 18 2.39pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Well that is all speculation... But IF less people from the EU want to come to the UK post Brexit, which I find very hard to believe, then the UK has the ability to attract workers from all over the world and set its own immigration policies. Not be dictated to by the EUSSR. the UK has the ability to attract workers from all over the world'. You are just not getting it, it is immigration from all over the world that is the problem now, not from the EU. Dictated by EUSSR? You are just desperate.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Mapletree Croydon 25 Oct 18 2.49pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Well that is all speculation... But IF less people from the EU want to come to the UK post Brexit, which I find very hard to believe, then the UK has the ability to attract workers from all over the world and set its own immigration policies. Not be dictated to by the EUSSR.
I mention Romania and Italy as those are brilliant locations for outstanding mathematicians, on average way better than their UK indigenous competition.
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Oct 18 2.52pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Mapletree
I mention Romania and Italy as those are brilliant locations for outstanding mathematicians, on average way better than their UK indigenous competition. There are outstanding mathematicians in countries outside of Europe also. I know it's hard to believe!
|
|
| Alert a moderator to this post | Board Moderator |
|
Pussay Patrol  25 Oct 18 3.50pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Firstly, it's inconclusive that EU immigrants are net contributors. One study says EU migrants who arrived after 2001 contributed £1.34 for every £1 took out. But the data also says that figure reduces for the EU migrants who arrived pre-2001. Remember when Tony Blair overestimated the numbers from Poland? So the overall contribution is negligible. And like you say, if there is no extra infrastructure to accommodate the rising population, then that affects all of us in a negative way. Then you have the social cohesion issues too... As for the "net contribution group will now be cut off" that is fake news. Current EU citizens have been told they can stay in the UK. There is nothing stopping the UK from allowing future migrants from any country working here post Brexit. Unless you know something I don't? Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Oct 2018 2.20pm) Just goes to show you can't believe everything you read, after all Stirling posted an article which stated the UK benefitted by £4bn. Unfortunately alot of people take what is said as gospel from the press like the daily mail rather look at the benefits of EU membership objectively
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
| Pussay Patrol 25 Oct 18 3.55pm |
|
|---|---|
|
Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Well that is all speculation... But IF less people from the EU want to come to the UK post Brexit, which I find very hard to believe, then the UK has the ability to attract workers from all over the world and set its own immigration policies. Not be dictated to by the EUSSR. bureaucrats / dictatorships, haven't heard that for a while, that was the crap Farage was spouting 5-10 years ago. So gullible....
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
|
| Alert a moderator to this post |
|
Login / RegisterNew users
Registration is now on our new message board
Existing users
To login with your existing username you will need to convert your account over to the new message board.
Sponsors
All images and text on this site are copyright © 1999-2024 The Holmesdale Online, unless otherwise stated.
Web Design by Guntrisoft Ltd.