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 Mapletree  Croydon 25 Oct 18 11.45am |
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Ooh. Another member of the East LA massive. That makes you, me and Hrolf.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Oct 18 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Because you can bake more pies ? I see, the the magic money tree is back again! You do know the government has a large debt and deficit? Give me some rough figures on how much the extra schools, hospitals and houses etc will cost for the number of EU migrants. Then tell me how much you would put tax up to pay for it all? Just so I will pay more tax so people from Moldova and Lithuania can live here with nice public services. Gina Miller says the NHS needs £4bn a year invested by the government. Should some of that be diverted away? Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Oct 2018 12.39pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Oct 18 12.47pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I see, the the magic money tree is back again! You do know the government has a large debt and deficit? Give me some rough figures on how much the extra schools, hospitals and houses etc will cost for the number of EU migrants. Then tell me how much you would put tax up to pay for it all? Just so I will pay more tax so people from Moldova and Lithuania can live here with nice public services. Gina Miller says the NHS needs £4bn a year invested by the government. Should some of that be diverted away? Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Oct 2018 12.39pm) Overall immigrants are net contributors. They use the NHS less and use up less housing, often filling HMOs. They tend to be in prime working age. Don't vilify these people, who largely have been driving any economic growth we have. If the infrastructure doesn't match the workforce that is due to a lack of long term planning and investment. Especially reinvestment of the immigrant dividend.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Oct 18 1.03pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Overall immigrants are net contributors. They use the NHS less and use up less housing, often filling HMOs. They tend to be in prime working age. Don't vilify these people, who largely have been driving any economic growth we have. If the infrastructure doesn't match the workforce that is due to a lack of long term planning and investment. Especially reinvestment of the immigrant dividend.
We do need immigrants and I have no issue with them. But it should be on the terms of the UK government – not the bureaucrats in Brussels – so it can be managed effectively in terms of social cohesion and public services. It's basic commonsense. Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Oct 2018 1.05pm)
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Oct 18 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
We do need immigrants and I have no issue with them. But it should be on the terms of the UK government – not the bureaucrats in Brussels – so it can be managed effectively in terms of social cohesion and public services. It's basic commonsense. Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Oct 2018 1.05pm) Wow, I didn't even spot when Moldova joined the EU. Must keep up. I still think it's a shame they can't have nice public services when they are here like the rest of us though
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| Stirlingsays 25 Oct 18 1.09pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Don't vilify these people, who largely have been driving any economic growth we have. If the infrastructure doesn't match the workforce that is due to a lack of long term planning and investment. Especially reinvestment of the immigrant dividend. No, only EU immigrants are net contributors....by about 4 billion. Overall outside immigrants to this country cost us over 120 billion a year.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 25 Oct 18 1.14pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Wow, I didn't even spot when Moldova joined the EU. Must keep up. I still think it's a shame they can't have nice public services when they are here like the rest of us though The argument still stands, even though you love being a smart arse and score petty points. I think it's a shame too but it costs money to fund public services for people around the world. But as long as you're happy to pay more taxes for this and in the meantime, put your kids in your third-choice primary school because the preferred ones are full...
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Pussay Patrol  25 Oct 18 1.47pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
We do need immigrants and I have no issue with them. But it should be on the terms of the UK government – not the bureaucrats in Brussels – so it can be managed effectively in terms of social cohesion and public services. It's basic commonsense. Edited by Penge Eagle (25 Oct 2018 1.05pm) Straight out of the tabloids It is on the terms of UK, we are part of the EU. Freedom of movement is something all members agreed to, it wasn't forced on us
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Oct 18 1.50pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
No, only EU immigrants are net contributors....by about 4 billion. Overall outside immigrants to this country cost us over 120 billion a year. I think you are confusing 'are' with 'were'.
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| Mapletree Croydon 25 Oct 18 1.52pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
The argument still stands, even though you love being a smart arse and score petty points. I think it's a shame too but it costs money to fund public services for people around the world. But as long as you're happy to pay more taxes for this and in the meantime, put your kids in your third-choice primary school because the preferred ones are full... Stirling's point reinforces mine of course The EU immigrants have been net contributors. Sadly, that contribution was not reinvested in providing the infrastructure necessary. In any case, that net contribution group will now be cut off.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Oct 18 1.53pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Straight out of the tabloids It is on the terms of UK, we are part of the EU. Freedom of movement is something all members agreed to, it wasn't forced on us
The referendum result showed the real attitude towards freedom of movement. The remain camp having to near exclusively use the fear mongering in the economic argument to maximise their votes. That angle wasn't on armchair debate, that would have been informed by polling.
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| Stirlingsays 25 Oct 18 1.55pm |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Stirling's point reinforces mine of course The EU immigrants have been net contributors. Sadly, that contribution was not reinvested in providing the infrastructure necessary. In any case, that net contribution group will now be cut off. What? 4 Billion reinvested...solves what nationally? Also when immigration as a whole is costing you 120 billion you are purely plugging holes in the Titanic.
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