Of course not. Mengele had no compassion for those he used to experiment on.

Those involved in seeking to understand this clinically recognised medical condition, and sometimes to recommend using surgery as a treatment, are driven only by compassion. That you, and others, fail to realise that doesn’t change the motivation.

My own view is that we must develop stringent regulations with several clinicians from various disciplines being involved in the decision making. This is the standard practice in most medical decisions these days. A multi-disciplinary-team, or MDT is established to review everything and reach agreements at every stage. There is no chance of a stray nutcase causing harm. Oversight already ensures that. Now we need to ensure this is more widely understood to avoid the kind of responses to be read here.

I have no more idea than anyone else but I would expect surgery to be a last resort option in most cases and only used when the potential risk of self harm, and suicide, is thought to be really serious.

It’s horrific to imagine that the current environment not only allows individuals to contest this statement but actually empowers and encourages them to do so. Some even narcissistically base their reasoning on their own ‘compassion’ which is unfathomably ironic. Imagine being so easily indoctrinated you feel compelled to form a narrative to convince yourself if not others you are in some sort of right.

I recall my younger years and still to this day have trouble reading, hearing about or seeing any old footage of the Nazis and really connecting to the insanity of human beings, en masse, being so easily manipulated to participate in such mind boggling, heinous atrocities. This is on a par and perhaps I am one of many Germans back then who no doubt went quietly about their lives aware of this but thinking ‘well, what can I do about it as one person?’ At least we have a forum to capture some sanity albeit that is routinely attempted to be sabotaged.

You have no idea whether anyone has compassion you are literally waffling.

Your disfigurement of language to justify these disgusting and outright criminal procedures is an outrage. It's language such as this which those mutilated children should be pointed towards to see the utter evil that words can justify later in life when a percent inevitably regret the irreversible destruction of their lives.

Let's make it very easy, read carefully.

There are no....I repeat no....circumstances in any instance where it is morally justified to mutilate a child's sexual organs. It's no different to the sexual age of consent....they are simply not old enough to consent.

You and all those who seek to justify this, like Biden and the progressives, are extremists and no amount of false language can cloak that reality.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2023 11.51pm)

The whole ethical basis of medicine is compassion and care for others. So whilst you can, very rarely, find a bad apple, those involved, as a body of professionals, can be rightly described as compassionate. It's what they do.

I have never expressed an opinion on at what age, or what treatments, should be considered. I am not qualified to make those judgments and nor, so far as I am aware, is anyone else posting here. At what age someone gains sufficient ability to make an informed decision about their future will vary greatly. Some may never. That's for the professionals to determine. Not us.

Our representatives must, and will, establish a regulatory framework to guide those involved, which will set where the borders are. They will do that after consultation with all interested parties, and listening to the experts.

I would expect that to say that there is a minimum age before which informed consent is not possible.

I would expect that to say what procedures are permitted in what set of circumstances and how the decisions to proceed are to be reached. Simply ruling anything out, because the idea is personally distasteful, serves no one, and lacks compassion. When you are not the person involved you must not impose your personal beliefs on them.

Clinicians don't mutilate. They operate. If someone's "sex organs" are as useless to them as an appendix is to us, then we ought to allow them to make their own decisions about them. After due process and at the appropriate age.

We've been here before.

As that piece says it seems he overstated the position in some unscripted ad hoc remarks, but also made other accurate claims.

We all do that occasionally. When the driving motivation was to encourage people to get vaccinated, in an environment clouded by anti-vax propaganda, I think cutting anyone a bit of slack in such circumstances is necessary.

Pillorying him for this just adds fuel to the propaganda and serves no one.

It’s horrific to imagine that the current environment not only allows individuals to contest this statement but actually empowers and encourages them to do so. Some even narcissistically base their reasoning on their own ‘compassion’ which is unfathomably ironic. Imagine being so easily indoctrinated you feel compelled to form a narrative to convince yourself if not others you are in some sort of right.

I recall my younger years and still to this day have trouble reading, hearing about or seeing any old footage of the Nazis and really connecting to the insanity of human beings, en masse, being so easily manipulated to participate in such mind boggling, heinous atrocities. This is on a par and perhaps I am one of many Germans back then who no doubt went quietly about their lives aware of this but thinking ‘well, what can I do about it as one person?’ At least we have a forum to capture some sanity albeit that is routinely attempted to be sabotaged.