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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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 Wisbech Eagle  Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 22 8.57am |
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There has been some discussion in this thread which seems to suggest some sympathy for Putin's position over Nato, whilst condemning his brutality over Ukraine. I think this is based on a complete misunderstanding of Nato, it's purpose and operation. Putin fears Nato only because it allows the former Soviet Union countries to protect themselves from Russian aggressive intentions. Reading some more indicates his fear also extends to the possibility that Russian regions bordering these countries, seeing their neighbours secure and prosperous members of the international community, may themselves become restless and unstable, and threaten his own grip on power. Putin's fear of Nato is real, not though because of any military threat. The fear is because of the defensive capability and the impact that has on him. The conclusion has to be, as I have believed for a very long time, that this is solely down to Putin and his regime, who have never accepted the break-up of the Soviet Union and think it can be restored. They are obsessed with what they believe is their destiny and on a mission to restore Russia's "greatness". At almost any cost to others. Putin may not be completely insane, but he is unhinged from normal humanity, has no compassion, and is very dangerous. Read these. They are interesting:-
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| W12 05 Mar 22 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
There has been some discussion in this thread which seems to suggest some sympathy for Putin's position over Nato, whilst condemning his brutality over Ukraine. I think this is based on a complete misunderstanding of Nato, it's purpose and operation. Putin fears Nato only because it allows the former Soviet Union countries to protect themselves from Russian aggressive intentions. Reading some more indicates his fear also extends to the possibility that Russian regions bordering these countries, seeing their neighbours secure and prosperous members of the international community, may themselves become restless and unstable, and threaten his own grip on power. Putin's fear of Nato is real, not though because of any military threat. The fear is because of the defensive capability and the impact that has on him. The conclusion has to be, as I have believed for a very long time, that this is solely down to Putin and his regime, who have never accepted the break-up of the Soviet Union and think it can be restored. They are obsessed with what they believe is their destiny and on a mission to restore Russia's "greatness". At almost any cost to others. Putin may not be completely insane, but he is unhinged from normal humanity, has no compassion, and is very dangerous. Read these. They are interesting:- I honestly don’t understand why you can’t see that you are reading propaganda. The first link is from NATO itself and the second from CEPA. Just a cursory look at “our supporters” for the latter brings you up a list including many of the usual suspects involved in globalism e.g. military contractors, google, US state department. Perhaps you just like it that way? If not, start by understanding the difference between globalisation and Globalism. The latter has “ism” on the end for a reason.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Mar 22 10.19am |
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Yeah how? [Tweet Link]
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 05 Mar 22 10.32am |
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That's almost as scary as being a heartbeat away from President Kamala " word salad " Harris.
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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| W12 05 Mar 22 10.51am | |
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Understand the history and politics in Ukraine
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| Palace Old Geezer Midhurst 05 Mar 22 11.08am |
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Originally posted by W12
Understand the history and politics in Ukraine Crumbs! And to think old Joe has his finger poised over the other red button.
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| silvertop Portishead 05 Mar 22 11.10am |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
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So forgive me if I don't regard your claims of some massive difference in how home citizens are treated as something that was more true of the past than it is now.
I am against laws that inhibit free speech and freedoms in general and would never vote for any party bringing them in. As stated previously, they pit left against right to bring about a political environment where everyones freedoms are eroded. Tony Blair and the like did the same, and at the time that had war mongers cheering away, but said laws of course were used against whoever becomes inconvenient. In Russia, you can literally be arrested and imprisoned for even saying a war is happening there. This isn't a matter of degrees. And a whole host of other views are are not allowed to be voiced. From 8000+ arrest of entirely peaceful protestors from children to the elderly, we see what freedom means there. Poisoned political opponents by the dozen. Opinions aren't cheap in Russia. While I find your easy breezy attitude towards far right groups with extreme connections concerning, on one level it's almost amusing that you appear so unbothered in that political direction yet deeply disturbed by bog standard views in the other. That's for you though and as I say indicative of a life lived online. I certainly don't for a moment agree that it's right that anyone calls the police due to a persons opinion, but I would hope that it led nowhere and so realistically again it proves my point about our society vs others. I genuinely believe in freedoms. You certainly believe in them while you feel its yours under attack. The love-in for Russia by some (not necessarily you) on here, is far more revealing of the kind of government and clampdowns on freedoms some are fine with as long as they are aligned to their views.
And so long as they don't have to live in the oppressive country they so admire.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 05 Mar 22 11.19am |
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Originally posted by W12
Understand the history and politics in Ukraine Sleepy W12. A litre of vodka while listening to the Russian national anthem, arousing though it is, on repeat till 4am.
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| kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 05 Mar 22 11.19am |
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In a quest to find out what other non UK media outlets are saying I found this really intresting piece.
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| W12 05 Mar 22 11.30am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Sleepy W12. A litre of vodka while listening to the Russian national anthem, arousing though it is, on repeat till 4am. Deep insightful take bro
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Mar 22 11.30am |
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Originally posted by W12
I honestly don’t understand why you can’t see that you are reading propaganda. The first link is from NATO itself and the second from CEPA. Just a cursory look at “our supporters” for the latter brings you up a list including many of the usual suspects involved in globalism e.g. military contractors, google, US state department. Perhaps you just like it that way? If not, start by understanding the difference between globalisation and Globalism. The latter has “ism” on the end for a reason. It's not propaganda. It's logic. You have only to watch what is being shown on TV and listen to the first-hand accounts to know the truth. You don't need any filters to work it out. Then listen to Putin and compare what he says with the reality you can see for yourself to know where the propaganda is. The Russian people are not being told the truth and those who have worked that out, and seen it for themselves, are being silenced and arrested. Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a gift to military contractors, as defence spending by the west will now increase massively. Being prepared to defend yourself is not the same as seeking the opportunity to wage war and I just don't believe that there are any "usual suspects" conspiring to create circumstances which could kill billions, just for the opportunity to make a little more profit. They have families and morals just like most of us. It's not credible.
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| W12 05 Mar 22 11.47am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It's not propaganda. It's logic. You have only to watch what is being shown on TV and listen to the first-hand accounts to know the truth. You don't need any filters to work it out. Then listen to Putin and compare what he says with the reality you can see for yourself to know where the propaganda is. The Russian people are not being told the truth and those who have worked that out, and seen it for themselves, are being silenced and arrested. Putin's invasion of Ukraine is a gift to military contractors, as defence spending by the west will now increase massively. Being prepared to defend yourself is not the same as seeking the opportunity to wage war and I just don't believe that there are any "usual suspects" conspiring to create circumstances which could kill billions, just for the opportunity to make a little more profit. They have families and morals just like most of us. It's not credible. There is nothing I can say about the above that hasn’t already said about your worldview in general.
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