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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jun 22 7.47am
Originally posted by Spiderman Which one? Exactly there are 650 of them, narrow it down for us please. One more point
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Beckenham 12 Jun 22 7.47am

Originally posted by Spiderman

Which one?

Exactly there are 650 of them, narrow it down for us please.

One more point

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Jun 22 8.37am
Originally posted by croydon proud It"s only 11 billion Steeleye, with the 31 billion lost on brexit and the 5 % downturn , only second to Russia on predicted economy downturn, and 4 billion burned PPe, they are doing a sterling job! So the 120 billion bit in a previous post means what exactly. I think it calculates to over 60 billion up. Like I said never let the truth ruin a lefty rant !
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The garden of England 12 Jun 22 8.37am

Originally posted by croydon proud

It"s only 11 billion Steeleye, with the 31 billion lost on brexit and the 5 % downturn , only second to Russia on predicted economy downturn, and 4 billion burned PPe, they are doing a sterling job!

So the 120 billion bit in a previous post means what exactly. I think it calculates to over 60 billion up. Like I said never let the truth ruin a lefty rant !

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Ketteridge Brighton 12 Jun 22 10.09am
Different opinon polls will have different methodologies, so it's not that useful to compare one with another to get the current trend. Opinium are the lot who have said Labour have a 2 point lead, they release their polls fortnightly and consistently have Labour with a small lead, 3 points in the last two they have done, so not a big change and again could be down to methodolgical issues and probably with in confidence levels. Having siad that you point is still right it would still be a bit of worry if you are Labour supporter, so probably not to most HOL users, that Starmer is not further ahead in the polls. I'm hoping he is keeping his powder dry for the run up to the next election and wants to face Boris so happy to sit tight for a until then. Boris is a known so the 28% are probably committed, while Starmer is still a bit unknown, makes you wonder what way the other 46% of voters would go? Strangley the head of Opinium is Chris Curtis who had to retract the claim that yougov pulled a poll because it was favoruable to Corbyn [Link] Originally posted by Matov In the context of all that has happened, this is staggering... [Link] The Tories only 2% points behind Labour and Starmer still seen as a worse choice for PM than Johnson. That useless, bumbling fool is going to actually win the next general election. One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A
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Brighton 12 Jun 22 10.09am

Different opinon polls will have different methodologies, so it's not that useful to compare one with another to get the current trend. Opinium are the lot who have said Labour have a 2 point lead, they release their polls fortnightly and consistently have Labour with a small lead, 3 points in the last two they have done, so not a big change and again could be down to methodolgical issues and probably with in confidence levels.
Having siad that you point is still right it would still be a bit of worry if you are Labour supporter, so probably not to most HOL users, that Starmer is not further ahead in the polls. I'm hoping he is keeping his powder dry for the run up to the next election and wants to face Boris so happy to sit tight for a until then.
Boris is a known so the 28% are probably committed, while Starmer is still a bit unknown, makes you wonder what way the other 46% of voters would go?
Strangley the head of Opinium is Chris Curtis who had to retract the claim that yougov pulled a poll because it was favoruable to Corbyn [Link]

Originally posted by Matov

In the context of all that has happened, this is staggering...

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The Tories only 2% points behind Labour and Starmer still seen as a worse choice for PM than Johnson.

That useless, bumbling fool is going to actually win the next general election.

One supporter of hacking argued that without it "you will do away with the courage and pluck of the game, and I will be bound to bring over a lot of Frenchmen who would beat you with a week's practice -Blackheath secretary at first meeting of the F.A

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Badger11 Beckenham 12 Jun 22 10.27am
Polls are always flawed even with the best of intentions. If someone approaches me with a clipboard or calls me at home they get short shrift, I am sure a lot of people are like that. So how do you gauge the opinions of people who refuse to be interviewed? Additionally in my opinion people on the left are more passionate about their politics and more likely to respond to a pollster and you have a built in bias even though the pollsters are trying to be fair. Back on point Starmer should be slaughtering Johnson. One more point
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Beckenham 12 Jun 22 10.27am

Polls are always flawed even with the best of intentions. If someone approaches me with a clipboard or calls me at home they get short shrift, I am sure a lot of people are like that.

So how do you gauge the opinions of people who refuse to be interviewed? Additionally in my opinion people on the left are more passionate about their politics and more likely to respond to a pollster and you have a built in bias even though the pollsters are trying to be fair.

Back on point Starmer should be slaughtering Johnson.

One more point

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palace_in_frogland In a broken dream 12 Jun 22 10.28am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Or someone who's blasted through their wages on Friday & Saturday every week then lived on scraps until payday. Must save a few quid when there are regular work booze ups to attend. Scaled up, that’s current government fiscal policy, isn’t it?
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Or someone who's blasted through their wages on Friday & Saturday every week then lived on scraps until payday. Must save a few quid when there are regular work booze ups to attend.

Scaled up, that’s current government fiscal policy, isn’t it?

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 12 Jun 22 10.35am
Originally posted by Badger11 Polls are always flawed even with the best of intentions. If someone approaches me with a clipboard or calls me at home they get short shrift, I am sure a lot of people are like that. So how do you gauge the opinions of people who refuse to be interviewed? Additionally in my opinion people on the left are more passionate about their politics and more likely to respond to a pollster and you have a built in bias even though the pollsters are trying to be fair. Back on point Starmer should be slaughtering Johnson. Johnson living in a pantomime world. Starmer barely working part-time to oust him. Does Starmer really want the job ? I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Badger11

Polls are always flawed even with the best of intentions. If someone approaches me with a clipboard or calls me at home they get short shrift, I am sure a lot of people are like that.

Back on point Starmer should be slaughtering Johnson.

Johnson living in a pantomime world. Starmer barely working part-time to oust him. Does Starmer really want the job ?

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Matov 12 Jun 22 10.50am
Originally posted by Ketteridge Strangley the head of Opinium is Chris Curtis who had to retract the claim that yougov pulled a poll because it was favoruable to Corbyn [Link] That was a bit of palaver, I must accept. With the timing the most interesting, at least to a saddo like me, part. I could bore you rigid about my theory that it was the polling companies who helped f*** up the Remain campaign in 2016, primarily because their combined methodology was so poor (and following on from the debacle of 2015) that it created a false sense of security for the Leave campaign meaning that they never upped their game. But I won't. It is a Sunday after all, the sun is shining and there are larks to be had, out on the cobbles!. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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12 Jun 22 10.50am

Originally posted by Ketteridge

Strangley the head of Opinium is Chris Curtis who had to retract the claim that yougov pulled a poll because it was favoruable to Corbyn [Link]

That was a bit of palaver, I must accept. With the timing the most interesting, at least to a saddo like me, part.

I could bore you rigid about my theory that it was the polling companies who helped f*** up the Remain campaign in 2016, primarily because their combined methodology was so poor (and following on from the debacle of 2015) that it created a false sense of security for the Leave campaign meaning that they never upped their game.

But I won't. It is a Sunday after all, the sun is shining and there are larks to be had, out on the cobbles!.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jun 22 5.19pm
Originally posted by cryrst So the 120 billion bit in a previous post means what exactly. I think it calculates to over 60 billion up. Like I said never let the truth ruin a lefty rant !
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 12 Jun 22 5.19pm

Originally posted by cryrst

So the 120 billion bit in a previous post means what exactly. I think it calculates to over 60 billion up. Like I said never let the truth ruin a lefty rant !

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Jun 22 5.45pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly Johnson living in a pantomime world. Starmer barely working part-time to oust him. Does Starmer really want the job ? Not sure he does. He will be in the pocket of the Unions
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Horsham 12 Jun 22 5.45pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Johnson living in a pantomime world. Starmer barely working part-time to oust him. Does Starmer really want the job ?

Not sure he does. He will be in the pocket of the Unions

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jun 22 5.59pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Not sure he does. He will be in the pocket of the Unions Unlike bungle and his CONServative cronies in the pocket of the Kremlin!
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Any european country i fancy! 12 Jun 22 5.59pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Not sure he does. He will be in the pocket of the Unions

Unlike bungle and his CONServative cronies in the pocket of the Kremlin!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 12 Jun 22 6.02pm
Originally posted by croydon proud Unlike bungle and his CONServative cronies in the pocket of the Kremlin!
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Any european country i fancy! 12 Jun 22 6.02pm

Originally posted by croydon proud

Unlike bungle and his CONServative cronies in the pocket of the Kremlin!

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Badger11 Beckenham 13 Jun 22 4.31pm
I'm surprised that no one has posted this. [Link] Thousands of pounds of freebies not declared by Sir Keir. Surely he has to go It is probably just a clerical error but if Boris must go after accepting a piece of cake well the rules are the rules Even if he didn't break any rules why is the leader of the opposition accepting all these freebies. One more point
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Beckenham 13 Jun 22 4.31pm

I'm surprised that no one has posted this.

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Thousands of pounds of freebies not declared by Sir Keir.

Surely he has to go

It is probably just a clerical error but if Boris must go after accepting a piece of cake well the rules are the rules

Even if he didn't break any rules why is the leader of the opposition accepting all these freebies.

One more point

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