That's the message that the right have been telling themselves for decades. That minorities will vote for them once they integrate.

The problem though is that the stats say otherwise and have been consistent and stable. Minorities will nearly always vote majority left and against the majority group (I know of only the Castro hating Cubans in the US who are around fifty fifty...with the new generation moving more left). So it only differs in extent depending upon the group.

It's such a reliable indicator that it dictates candidate selection in minority areas.

My contention is that real conservatives need to stop believing that, if they only do this....or they only do that it'll mean they will convince this or that group to vote in the majority for them.

I say look at the stats.

It's you with the waffle!

If evidence existed but has been destroyed, it still existed. If it had been found and properly recorded then it's existence is a fact. If it was only hearsay, or remains undiscovered, then it is only theoretical.

It's this which is used by the conspiracy theorists to push their agendas. They use the uncertainty to make claims of truth without any actual evidence using exactly the type of reasoning you are employing.

You can justify almost any idea on this basis and if people are prepared to believe whatever you say you can easily fool them. Trump being the most obvious recent example.

So not the savage, violent storming of the Capitol we were led to believe...

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But people were waving flags and everything.

If you are referring, as I suspect you are, to Trump, or his team's, involvement with the Russians and their support in the 2016 election it is very far from a conspiracy theory.

Mueller indicted 34 individuals and 2 Russian businesses. These included close associates of Trump like Manafort, Stone and Flynn. The first two pleading guilty and going to jail, Flynn escaping it with a last minute withdrawal of the case in what had all the aroma of a dubious fix.

Mueller did not, despite Trump's repeated claims, "exonerate" him. What he said was “If we had had confidence that” President Donald Trump “clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so.” That might be nuanced, but it really is pretty damning.

It was the then AG Barr's instruction that a sitting President cannot be indicted that seems to have stopped him being charged and for the matter to be left to the political arena of impeachment rather than the Courts. We know what happened there.

The evidence still exists, and it doubtless will be used, when the time is appropriate, and can be done safely.

Conspiracy theories are evidence free. The Steele dossier and then the Mueller report, uncovered that evidence. Some of it remains out of view for security reasons, but enough confirmation has been given by trustworthy people to have no doubt at all that it exists.

Seeking to describe things like this as a conspiracy theory is an attempt to whitewash criminal behaviour for political reasons. That Trump would do it is par for his course. Not though for those who value truth above lies.

From those who can honestly be regarded as on the left you are the clearest example of a conspiracy theorist who has ever posted on these boards from when I've been here.

I'll state it once again....and again, it was what I predicted to you years ago. There was zero evidence presented to connect Trump to the lies you and the Democrats pushed for years.

Once again, zero evidence to connect Trump to the claims made.....Even Trump's own lawyer who ended up turning against him had nothing regarding Russia/Trump and illegal collusion. All those people you mentioned....who would have sung like a canary (which is why they went after them) had nothing.

Mueller's commentary was just as much of a nothing burger as I predicted it would be. He tried to justify a deliberately politically driven investigation to distract and tangle up the Trump administration in an façade which cost the US taxpayer many wasted millions....over ten If I remember correctly and Mueller said whatever he could while not actually saying Trump was guilty of anything....Anyone who watched him give evidence saw that he was very very careful not to make the kind of claims that liars you believed made.

So when you come on here call Hrolf and others a 'conspiracy theorist'. Realise that there are many who laugh at your lack of self awareness.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 May 2021 9.03pm)