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leggedstruggle Croydon 01 Oct 15 1.30pm
Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North. Since Blair resigned Labour, electorate wise, have been in a tailspin. None of the polls suggest that having a proper left-winger in charge in Corbyn has led to even less support. The big question now is can the levelling out be transformed into an upward curve? People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. You are, if I may say so, doing exactly what Labour is doing in deflecting the real concerns that the majority of voters have and talking about what you want to talk about. That is to say, talking to yourself. This is exactly my point, Labour hasn't listened to the electorate at all, its reaction to the election defeat has been to go into its comfort zone and into its shell, talking about issues we all know lefty Labour types love, but the electorate don't. I'll definitely get shot down for saying this, but Blair was far more brave in trying to drag all of his membership into the centre ground to make himself electable. Actually listening to people's opinions and adapting your principles to them is far braver than what Corbyn is doing, and is actually is what democracy is meant to be there for. Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?) I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour...

40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North.

Since Blair resigned Labour, electorate wise, have been in a tailspin. None of the polls suggest that having a proper left-winger in charge in Corbyn has led to even less support. The big question now is can the levelling out be transformed into an upward curve?

People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground.

Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore.

You are, if I may say so, doing exactly what Labour is doing in deflecting the real concerns that the majority of voters have and talking about what you want to talk about. That is to say, talking to yourself. This is exactly my point, Labour hasn't listened to the electorate at all, its reaction to the election defeat has been to go into its comfort zone and into its shell, talking about issues we all know lefty Labour types love, but the electorate don't.

I'll definitely get shot down for saying this, but Blair was far more brave in trying to drag all of his membership into the centre ground to make himself electable. Actually listening to people's opinions and adapting your principles to them is far braver than what Corbyn is doing, and is actually is what democracy is meant to be there for.

Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?)

I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support.

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Lyons550 Shirley 01 Oct 15 1.36pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 01 Oct 2015 1.24pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.12pm The point remains that we're now in a time where a spotty teenager in his bedroom could do more damage to a Nation than a Nuke could. I'm not sure that's true. Whilst you could cause a lot of chaos, there is a limit to how much trouble a hacker could cause, outside of economical. You might be able to do things like switch off power to areas, stop water supplies, scramble signals to aircraft, erase data etc But all of these systems have multiple built in redundancies and recovery. You could for example wipe every singe stock exchange piece of data, and it would only be inconvenient, because there a multiple back ups kept in different locations, including off line as well as a back up system, so that if the first system crashes, a second kicks in. Most systems of importance are backed up with a off site and air gaps to protect the 'key operations' (ie they're on an internal network that isn't connected to the internet or even the local networks). where as a nuclear warhead generally kills and levels everything, permanently. Unless you're a hacker and understand the reach that these people have and could have if the desire is there; you've no way of knowing. Back up systems are there to provide sterile environments but their fundamental flaw is that their very existence is to replenish the LIVE systems with whatever it is their holding...which means contact with the non sterile environment which leaves them vulnerable. Commerce makes the world go round...and the vast majority of it lives in data and on networks. There is NO secure way to transfer data nowadays, written, verbally, electronically...it can ALL be intercepted. A nuclear blast only has a certain radius...a hackers reach is infinite Edited by Lyons550 (01 Oct 2015 1.38pm) The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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The point remains that we're now in a time where a spotty teenager in his bedroom could do more damage to a Nation than a Nuke could.

I'm not sure that's true. Whilst you could cause a lot of chaos, there is a limit to how much trouble a hacker could cause, outside of economical. You might be able to do things like switch off power to areas, stop water supplies, scramble signals to aircraft, erase data etc

But all of these systems have multiple built in redundancies and recovery. You could for example wipe every singe stock exchange piece of data, and it would only be inconvenient, because there a multiple back ups kept in different locations, including off line as well as a back up system, so that if the first system crashes, a second kicks in.

Most systems of importance are backed up with a off site and air gaps to protect the 'key operations' (ie they're on an internal network that isn't connected to the internet or even the local networks).

where as a nuclear warhead generally kills and levels everything, permanently.

Unless you're a hacker and understand the reach that these people have and could have if the desire is there; you've no way of knowing.

Back up systems are there to provide sterile environments but their fundamental flaw is that their very existence is to replenish the LIVE systems with whatever it is their holding...which means contact with the non sterile environment which leaves them vulnerable.

Commerce makes the world go round...and the vast majority of it lives in data and on networks. There is NO secure way to transfer data nowadays, written, verbally, electronically...it can ALL be intercepted.

A nuclear blast only has a certain radius...a hackers reach is infinite

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Lyons550 Shirley 01 Oct 15 1.40pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North. Since Blair resigned Labour, electorate wise, have been in a tailspin. None of the polls suggest that having a proper left-winger in charge in Corbyn has led to even less support. The big question now is can the levelling out be transformed into an upward curve? People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. You are, if I may say so, doing exactly what Labour is doing in deflecting the real concerns that the majority of voters have and talking about what you want to talk about. That is to say, talking to yourself. This is exactly my point, Labour hasn't listened to the electorate at all, its reaction to the election defeat has been to go into its comfort zone and into its shell, talking about issues we all know lefty Labour types love, but the electorate don't. I'll definitely get shot down for saying this, but Blair was far more brave in trying to drag all of his membership into the centre ground to make himself electable. Actually listening to people's opinions and adapting your principles to them is far braver than what Corbyn is doing, and is actually is what democracy is meant to be there for. Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?) I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support. but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society? The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 01 Oct 15 1.40pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm

Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm

To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour...

People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground.

Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore.

Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?)

but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society?

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leggedstruggle Croydon 01 Oct 15 1.55pm
Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.40pm Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North. Since Blair resigned Labour, electorate wise, have been in a tailspin. None of the polls suggest that having a proper left-winger in charge in Corbyn has led to even less support. The big question now is can the levelling out be transformed into an upward curve? People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. You are, if I may say so, doing exactly what Labour is doing in deflecting the real concerns that the majority of voters have and talking about what you want to talk about. That is to say, talking to yourself. This is exactly my point, Labour hasn't listened to the electorate at all, its reaction to the election defeat has been to go into its comfort zone and into its shell, talking about issues we all know lefty Labour types love, but the electorate don't. I'll definitely get shot down for saying this, but Blair was far more brave in trying to drag all of his membership into the centre ground to make himself electable. Actually listening to people's opinions and adapting your principles to them is far braver than what Corbyn is doing, and is actually is what democracy is meant to be there for. Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?) I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support. but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society? I think a lot of people would support Old Left policies of renationalising the utilities, railways and buses. Also taxing the rich and allowing unions to negotiate better wages and conditions for working people. What they will not support is uncontrolled immigration, multi-culturalism and the refusal to even look at reforms to welfare and the NHS. Also they will not welcome neglect of our armed forces and military capabilities, and 'reaching out' to various terrorist groups. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 01 Oct 15 1.55pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.40pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm

Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm

To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour...

People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground.

Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore.

Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?)

but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society?

I think a lot of people would support Old Left policies of renationalising the utilities, railways and buses. Also taxing the rich and allowing unions to negotiate better wages and conditions for working people. What they will not support is uncontrolled immigration, multi-culturalism and the refusal to even look at reforms to welfare and the NHS. Also they will not welcome neglect of our armed forces and military capabilities, and 'reaching out' to various terrorist groups.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 01 Oct 15 3.14pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North. Since Blair resigned Labour, electorate wise, have been in a tailspin. None of the polls suggest that having a proper left-winger in charge in Corbyn has led to even less support. The big question now is can the levelling out be transformed into an upward curve? People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. You are, if I may say so, doing exactly what Labour is doing in deflecting the real concerns that the majority of voters have and talking about what you want to talk about. That is to say, talking to yourself. This is exactly my point, Labour hasn't listened to the electorate at all, its reaction to the election defeat has been to go into its comfort zone and into its shell, talking about issues we all know lefty Labour types love, but the electorate don't. I'll definitely get shot down for saying this, but Blair was far more brave in trying to drag all of his membership into the centre ground to make himself electable. Actually listening to people's opinions and adapting your principles to them is far braver than what Corbyn is doing, and is actually is what democracy is meant to be there for. Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?) I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support. Are even bigger twerps in my opinion.... Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 01 Oct 15 3.14pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm

Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm

To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour...

People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground.

Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore.

Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?)

I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support.

Are even bigger twerps in my opinion....

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 01 Oct 15 3.21pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.55pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.40pm Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North. Since Blair resigned Labour, electorate wise, have been in a tailspin. None of the polls suggest that having a proper left-winger in charge in Corbyn has led to even less support. The big question now is can the levelling out be transformed into an upward curve? People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. You are, if I may say so, doing exactly what Labour is doing in deflecting the real concerns that the majority of voters have and talking about what you want to talk about. That is to say, talking to yourself. This is exactly my point, Labour hasn't listened to the electorate at all, its reaction to the election defeat has been to go into its comfort zone and into its shell, talking about issues we all know lefty Labour types love, but the electorate don't. I'll definitely get shot down for saying this, but Blair was far more brave in trying to drag all of his membership into the centre ground to make himself electable. Actually listening to people's opinions and adapting your principles to them is far braver than what Corbyn is doing, and is actually is what democracy is meant to be there for. Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?) I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support. but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society? I think a lot of people would support Old Left policies of renationalising the utilities, railways and buses. Also taxing the rich and allowing unions to negotiate better wages and conditions for working people. What they will not support is uncontrolled immigration, multi-culturalism and the refusal to even look at reforms to welfare and the NHS. Also they will not welcome neglect of our armed forces and military capabilities, and 'reaching out' to various terrorist groups. You have to be joking. Most sensible people realise that it would cost so much to do and would be unworkable as was BLMC back in the 50's and 60's. We would have the unions controlling every aspect of our lives and it would be all down to a couple of idiots in the opposition party today who do not have clue. One is their now leader. Corbyn is a joke one big joke and will NEVER be fit or able enough to be our Prime Minister and a majority of the Labour Party MP's would bear me out on that one! They detest him as much as I do. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 01 Oct 15 3.21pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.55pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.40pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm

Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm

To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour...

People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground.

Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore.

Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?)

but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society?

I think a lot of people would support Old Left policies of renationalising the utilities, railways and buses. Also taxing the rich and allowing unions to negotiate better wages and conditions for working people. What they will not support is uncontrolled immigration, multi-culturalism and the refusal to even look at reforms to welfare and the NHS. Also they will not welcome neglect of our armed forces and military capabilities, and 'reaching out' to various terrorist groups.

You have to be joking. Most sensible people realise that it would cost so much to do and would be unworkable as was BLMC back in the 50's and 60's. We would have the unions controlling every aspect of our lives and it would be all down to a couple of idiots in the opposition party today who do not have clue. One is their now leader. Corbyn is a joke one big joke and will NEVER be fit or able enough to be our Prime Minister and a majority of the Labour Party MP's would bear me out on that one! They detest him as much as I do.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 01 Oct 15 3.51pm
Quote susmik at 01 Oct 2015 3.21pm Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.55pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.40pm Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North. Since Blair resigned Labour, electorate wise, have been in a tailspin. None of the polls suggest that having a proper left-winger in charge in Corbyn has led to even less support. The big question now is can the levelling out be transformed into an upward curve? People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. You are, if I may say so, doing exactly what Labour is doing in deflecting the real concerns that the majority of voters have and talking about what you want to talk about. That is to say, talking to yourself. This is exactly my point, Labour hasn't listened to the electorate at all, its reaction to the election defeat has been to go into its comfort zone and into its shell, talking about issues we all know lefty Labour types love, but the electorate don't. I'll definitely get shot down for saying this, but Blair was far more brave in trying to drag all of his membership into the centre ground to make himself electable. Actually listening to people's opinions and adapting your principles to them is far braver than what Corbyn is doing, and is actually is what democracy is meant to be there for. Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?) I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support. but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society? I think a lot of people would support Old Left policies of renationalising the utilities, railways and buses. Also taxing the rich and allowing unions to negotiate better wages and conditions for working people. What they will not support is uncontrolled immigration, multi-culturalism and the refusal to even look at reforms to welfare and the NHS. Also they will not welcome neglect of our armed forces and military capabilities, and 'reaching out' to various terrorist groups. You have to be joking. Most sensible people realise that it would cost so much to do and would be unworkable as was BLMC back in the 50's and 60's. We would have the unions controlling every aspect of our lives and it would be all down to a couple of idiots in the opposition party today who do not have clue. One is their now leader. Corbyn is a joke one big joke and will NEVER be fit or able enough to be our Prime Minister and a majority of the Labour Party MP's would bear me out on that one! They detest him as much as I do. I would not nationalise the car industry, just the utilities and transport. These key services should be in state control rather than the array of mainly foreign cartels that now run them purely for profit while continually hiking prices. Other businesses should of course be private and there should be strict monopoly laws to ensure that we benefit from true competition. You are privy to what Labour MPs think? They will fall over themselves to jump on the bandwagon if he proves popular. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 01 Oct 15 3.51pm

Quote susmik at 01 Oct 2015 3.21pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.55pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.40pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm

Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm

To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour...

People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground.

Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore.

Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?)

but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society?

I would not nationalise the car industry, just the utilities and transport. These key services should be in state control rather than the array of mainly foreign cartels that now run them purely for profit while continually hiking prices. Other businesses should of course be private and there should be strict monopoly laws to ensure that we benefit from true competition. You are privy to what Labour MPs think? They will fall over themselves to jump on the bandwagon if he proves popular.

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Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 3.51pm Quote susmik at 01 Oct 2015 3.21pm Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.55pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.40pm Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North. Since Blair resigned Labour, electorate wise, have been in a tailspin. None of the polls suggest that having a proper left-winger in charge in Corbyn has led to even less support. The big question now is can the levelling out be transformed into an upward curve? People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. You are, if I may say so, doing exactly what Labour is doing in deflecting the real concerns that the majority of voters have and talking about what you want to talk about. That is to say, talking to yourself. This is exactly my point, Labour hasn't listened to the electorate at all, its reaction to the election defeat has been to go into its comfort zone and into its shell, talking about issues we all know lefty Labour types love, but the electorate don't. I'll definitely get shot down for saying this, but Blair was far more brave in trying to drag all of his membership into the centre ground to make himself electable. Actually listening to people's opinions and adapting your principles to them is far braver than what Corbyn is doing, and is actually is what democracy is meant to be there for. Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?) I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support. but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society? I think a lot of people would support Old Left policies of renationalising the utilities, railways and buses. Also taxing the rich and allowing unions to negotiate better wages and conditions for working people. What they will not support is uncontrolled immigration, multi-culturalism and the refusal to even look at reforms to welfare and the NHS. Also they will not welcome neglect of our armed forces and military capabilities, and 'reaching out' to various terrorist groups. You have to be joking. Most sensible people realise that it would cost so much to do and would be unworkable as was BLMC back in the 50's and 60's. We would have the unions controlling every aspect of our lives and it would be all down to a couple of idiots in the opposition party today who do not have clue. One is their now leader. Corbyn is a joke one big joke and will NEVER be fit or able enough to be our Prime Minister and a majority of the Labour Party MP's would bear me out on that one! They detest him as much as I do. I would not nationalise the car industry, just the utilities and transport. These key services should be in state control rather than the array of mainly foreign cartels that now run them purely for profit while continually hiking prices. Other businesses should of course be private and there should be strict monopoly laws to ensure that we benefit from true competition. You are privy to what Labour MPs think? They will fall over themselves to jump on the bandwagon if he proves popular. Pretty much how I see it. They should never have been nationalized in the first place. Key services and utilities vital to the functionality of the state can only be held effectively by the state. Transport costs such as travel effectively can price people very quickly out of employment opportunities. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour...

People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground.

Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore.

Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?)

but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society?

Pretty much how I see it. They should never have been nationalized in the first place. Key services and utilities vital to the functionality of the state can only be held effectively by the state. Transport costs such as travel effectively can price people very quickly out of employment opportunities.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 01 Oct 15 4.25pm
The British Car industry died, because for the most part it made s**t cars, that going into the 70s via the 60s, were ugly compared to their European imported competition. Its notable that whilst the British Motor Car died a death in the UK, other foreign car companies were manufacturing here and flourishing, and several of our more glamourous cars survived (Rolls Royce, Jaguar). It wasn't the Unions that killed the British Motorcar it was a failure to understand the new markets, competition and aspirations of the people buying cars. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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The British Car industry died, because for the most part it made s**t cars, that going into the 70s via the 60s, were ugly compared to their European imported competition.

Its notable that whilst the British Motor Car died a death in the UK, other foreign car companies were manufacturing here and flourishing, and several of our more glamourous cars survived (Rolls Royce, Jaguar).

It wasn't the Unions that killed the British Motorcar it was a failure to understand the new markets, competition and aspirations of the people buying cars.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 01 Oct 15 4.47pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 3.51pm Quote susmik at 01 Oct 2015 3.21pm Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.55pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.40pm Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour... 40% of voters believe immigration is the single biggest issue that faces this country. Corbyn believes high levels of immigration is a good thing. In my eyes, Corbyn's election is a huge opportunity for UKIP to make gains in the North. Since Blair resigned Labour, electorate wise, have been in a tailspin. None of the polls suggest that having a proper left-winger in charge in Corbyn has led to even less support. The big question now is can the levelling out be transformed into an upward curve? People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground. Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore. You are, if I may say so, doing exactly what Labour is doing in deflecting the real concerns that the majority of voters have and talking about what you want to talk about. That is to say, talking to yourself. This is exactly my point, Labour hasn't listened to the electorate at all, its reaction to the election defeat has been to go into its comfort zone and into its shell, talking about issues we all know lefty Labour types love, but the electorate don't. I'll definitely get shot down for saying this, but Blair was far more brave in trying to drag all of his membership into the centre ground to make himself electable. Actually listening to people's opinions and adapting your principles to them is far braver than what Corbyn is doing, and is actually is what democracy is meant to be there for. Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?) I do love this line of 'Labour voters deserted them because they were not left wing enough' - then went off and voted UKIP or Conservative! The main reason Labour lost votes was because Milliband and Balls were/are such twerps. Corbyn and McDonnell actually come across better, it is the New Left aspects of their policies that will put people off, the Old Left policies will attract support. but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society? I think a lot of people would support Old Left policies of renationalising the utilities, railways and buses. Also taxing the rich and allowing unions to negotiate better wages and conditions for working people. What they will not support is uncontrolled immigration, multi-culturalism and the refusal to even look at reforms to welfare and the NHS. Also they will not welcome neglect of our armed forces and military capabilities, and 'reaching out' to various terrorist groups. You have to be joking. Most sensible people realise that it would cost so much to do and would be unworkable as was BLMC back in the 50's and 60's. We would have the unions controlling every aspect of our lives and it would be all down to a couple of idiots in the opposition party today who do not have clue. One is their now leader. Corbyn is a joke one big joke and will NEVER be fit or able enough to be our Prime Minister and a majority of the Labour Party MP's would bear me out on that one! They detest him as much as I do. I would not nationalise the car industry, just the utilities and transport. These key services should be in state control rather than the array of mainly foreign cartels that now run them purely for profit while continually hiking prices. Other businesses should of course be private and there should be strict monopoly laws to ensure that we benefit from true competition. You are privy to what Labour MPs think? They will fall over themselves to jump on the bandwagon if he proves popular. Known fact they are not jumping over themselves at this moment.....They think that the Labour party is doomed to the basement for many years to come with Corbyn in charge.... Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 01 Oct 15 4.47pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 3.51pm

Quote susmik at 01 Oct 2015 3.21pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.55pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 1.40pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 01 Oct 2015 1.30pm

Quote Lyons550 at 01 Oct 2015 12.57pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 3.54pm

Quote Kermit8 at 30 Sep 2015 2.32pm

Quote We are goin up! at 30 Sep 2015 2.26pm

To those who think Corbyn could be good for Labour...

People can be scared of change. I get that. But i think both sides of the political divide are hungry for it. It's just finding that middle ground.

Something like saving tens of billions and doing away with our nuclear arsenal could be a start and he's talking about that today. We don't really need the weapons anymore.

Personally I think it could be easily argued that Corbyn is even braver to realign the party with the old values...shunning what made them electable in the first place.(?)

but surely that's the problem..its the Old Left policies that are unworkable in todays modern society?

I would not nationalise the car industry, just the utilities and transport. These key services should be in state control rather than the array of mainly foreign cartels that now run them purely for profit while continually hiking prices. Other businesses should of course be private and there should be strict monopoly laws to ensure that we benefit from true competition. You are privy to what Labour MPs think? They will fall over themselves to jump on the bandwagon if he proves popular.

Known fact they are not jumping over themselves at this moment.....They think that the Labour party is doomed to the basement for many years to come with Corbyn in charge....

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 01 Oct 15 11.22pm
A poll in the Telegraph today showed 85% of respondents sided with Corbyn re the pressing the nuclear button question.
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A poll in the Telegraph today showed 85% of respondents sided with Corbyn re the pressing the nuclear button question.

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matt_himself Matataland 02 Oct 15 5.01am
Quote jamiemartin721 at 01 Oct 2015 4.25pm The British Car industry died, because for the most part it made s**t cars, that going into the 70s via the 60s, were ugly compared to their European imported competition. Its notable that whilst the British Motor Car died a death in the UK, other foreign car companies were manufacturing here and flourishing, and several of our more glamourous cars survived (Rolls Royce, Jaguar). It wasn't the Unions that killed the British Motorcar it was a failure to understand the new markets, competition and aspirations of the people buying cars. Wrong. The unions killed British Leyland. Red Robbo, the shop steward at Longbridge in the seventies, presided over 500 walkouts, both official and unofficial. As the industry spiralled into debt due to lack of productivity, foreign investors were able to pick up the remains for cheap and market the heritage brand after investing in them. You really need to read about these things before posting. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 01 Oct 2015 4.25pm

The British Car industry died, because for the most part it made s**t cars, that going into the 70s via the 60s, were ugly compared to their European imported competition.

It wasn't the Unions that killed the British Motorcar it was a failure to understand the new markets, competition and aspirations of the people buying cars.

Wrong. The unions killed British Leyland. Red Robbo, the shop steward at Longbridge in the seventies, presided over 500 walkouts, both official and unofficial. As the industry spiralled into debt due to lack of productivity, foreign investors were able to pick up the remains for cheap and market the heritage brand after investing in them.

You really need to read about these things before posting.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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