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jamiemartin721  Reading 27 May 14 4.01pm |
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Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.55pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 May 2014 3.49pm
What happens to UKIP MEP's if UKIP force the Conservatives to go with the 'In/Out' referendum. They'll all essentially lose their seats, and essentially their jobs. It'll be interesting over the next few years to see whether UKIP MEP's move the party towards a 'EU Reform Party' from an Independence party: Their MEP's are essentially now a very powerful influence within the party itself: more so probably then their leader. Its very tricky for people to talk themselves out of a job (UKIP will not win as many seats at a general election as they did in Europe). 78k plus expenses, is quite a corrupting influence. Edited by jamiemartin721 (27 May 2014 3.50pm)
They've got a full term either way I reckon. The longer they're in there, the more 'corruptive' the influence of their MEP's may become. Its a good income, and a pretty cushy job by their account a 'gravy train'
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 May 2014 4.01pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.55pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 May 2014 3.49pm
What happens to UKIP MEP's if UKIP force the Conservatives to go with the 'In/Out' referendum. They'll all essentially lose their seats, and essentially their jobs. It'll be interesting over the next few years to see whether UKIP MEP's move the party towards a 'EU Reform Party' from an Independence party: Their MEP's are essentially now a very powerful influence within the party itself: more so probably then their leader. Its very tricky for people to talk themselves out of a job (UKIP will not win as many seats at a general election as they did in Europe). 78k plus expenses, is quite a corrupting influence. Edited by jamiemartin721 (27 May 2014 3.50pm)
They've got a full term either way I reckon. The longer they're in there, the more 'corruptive' the influence of their MEP's may become. Its a good income, and a pretty cushy job by their account a 'gravy train' I don't see many people getting to represent them on the ticket of staying in the EU. They wouldn't be selected by UKIP if they so much as uttered, "I'd quite like another term of this". It's a gravy train they're no doubt enjoying, and Farage has for a few terms now, but they'd lose all votes if they quibbled on EU membership. Edited by Stuk (27 May 2014 4.15pm)
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| the_mcanuff_stuff Caterham 27 May 14 4.32pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 May 2014 3.58pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 May 2014 3.49pm
What happens to UKIP MEP's if UKIP force the Conservatives to go with the 'In/Out' referendum. They'll all essentially lose their seats, and essentially their jobs. It'll be interesting over the next few years to see whether UKIP MEP's move the party towards a 'EU Reform Party' from an Independence party: Their MEP's are essentially now a very powerful influence within the party itself: more so probably then their leader. Its very tricky for people to talk themselves out of a job (UKIP will not win as many seats at a general election as they did in Europe). 78k plus expenses, is quite a corrupting influence. Edited by jamiemartin721 (27 May 2014 3.50pm)
Yes, but he's only one MEP. Prior to the recent election he was one of a few, now there's a metric s**t ton of them. UKIP has a bit of a problem in the past in that it has a very 'divergent' membership, that are themselves held togeather by an 'anti-eu' issue. Farange may struggle to hold the party togeather if for example, people like being MEPs etc, and that the party now has a number of internal members who have gained a degree of power and influence, maybe sufficent to challange Farange esp if UKIP doesn't replicate improvement and win seats in parliment (as it would then be a party whos political capital was entirely based in the arena they wish to exit). A degree of irony, would be if UKIP don't win many seats in a general election, that its power basis is entirely in the EU Parliment. Intersting times ahead for UKIP.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 27 May 14 4.42pm |
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Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 4.15pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 May 2014 3.49pm
What happens to UKIP MEP's if UKIP force the Conservatives to go with the 'In/Out' referendum. They'll all essentially lose their seats, and essentially their jobs. It'll be interesting over the next few years to see whether UKIP MEP's move the party towards a 'EU Reform Party' from an Independence party: Their MEP's are essentially now a very powerful influence within the party itself: more so probably then their leader. Its very tricky for people to talk themselves out of a job (UKIP will not win as many seats at a general election as they did in Europe). 78k plus expenses, is quite a corrupting influence. Edited by jamiemartin721 (27 May 2014 3.50pm)
They've got a full term either way I reckon. The longer they're in there, the more 'corruptive' the influence of their MEP's may become. Its a good income, and a pretty cushy job by their account a 'gravy train' I don't see many people getting to represent them on the ticket of staying in the EU. They wouldn't be selected by UKIP if they so much as uttered, "I'd quite like another term of this". It's a gravy train they're no doubt enjoying, and Farage has for a few terms now, but they'd lose all votes if they quibbled on EU membership. Edited by Stuk (27 May 2014 4.15pm) Yeah, but once upon a time I'd never imagined the conservatives having gay MP's and supporting gay marriage. Necessity is the mother of invention. They wouldn't be the first party to 'mellow' an anti-stance to a control stance. I can't see them ever becoming happy Euro clappers, but I can see them becoming an EU reform party over time - especially if they can get 'eu working migration' shut down
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 May 14 4.53pm |
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Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.27pm
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I voted for a party that's going to confront the eu. The greens. Why didn't the press give them as much coverage. Oh hang on, they want to protect worker's rights and challenge neoliberalism... I'm going to guess it's because they didn't top the vote or gain anywhere near as many MEPs. Why would "the press give them as much coverage"?
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 May 2014 4.42pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 4.15pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 May 2014 4.01pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.55pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 27 May 2014 3.49pm
What happens to UKIP MEP's if UKIP force the Conservatives to go with the 'In/Out' referendum. They'll all essentially lose their seats, and essentially their jobs. It'll be interesting over the next few years to see whether UKIP MEP's move the party towards a 'EU Reform Party' from an Independence party: Their MEP's are essentially now a very powerful influence within the party itself: more so probably then their leader. Its very tricky for people to talk themselves out of a job (UKIP will not win as many seats at a general election as they did in Europe). 78k plus expenses, is quite a corrupting influence. Edited by jamiemartin721 (27 May 2014 3.50pm)
They've got a full term either way I reckon. The longer they're in there, the more 'corruptive' the influence of their MEP's may become. Its a good income, and a pretty cushy job by their account a 'gravy train' I don't see many people getting to represent them on the ticket of staying in the EU. They wouldn't be selected by UKIP if they so much as uttered, "I'd quite like another term of this". It's a gravy train they're no doubt enjoying, and Farage has for a few terms now, but they'd lose all votes if they quibbled on EU membership. Edited by Stuk (27 May 2014 4.15pm) Yeah, but once upon a time I'd never imagined the conservatives having gay MP's and supporting gay marriage. Necessity is the mother of invention. They wouldn't be the first party to 'mellow' an anti-stance to a control stance. I can't see them ever becoming happy Euro clappers, but I can see them becoming an EU reform party over time - especially if they can get 'eu working migration' shut down
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| Stuk Top half 27 May 14 5.56pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 4.53pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 2.41pm
I voted for a party that's going to confront the eu. The greens. Why didn't the press give them as much coverage. Oh hang on, they want to protect worker's rights and challenge neoliberalism... I'm going to guess it's because they didn't top the vote or gain anywhere near as many MEPs. Why would "the press give them as much coverage"?
Because the media seek out the majority. They're not interested in chasing 8% of the people who voted for them and green supporters aren't likely to buy mainstream press either. If the other parties all banged on day after day about them being hippies, like they have with UKIP and racists, their press coverage would've gone up enormously as they'd be given a right to reply. And as I think I said when you started this, blame Clegg.
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| luckybuck 27 May 14 6.16pm |
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Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 5.56pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 4.53pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 2.41pm
I voted for a party that's going to confront the eu. The greens. Why didn't the press give them as much coverage. Oh hang on, they want to protect worker's rights and challenge neoliberalism... I'm going to guess it's because they didn't top the vote or gain anywhere near as many MEPs. Why would "the press give them as much coverage"?
Because the media seek out the majority. They're not interested in chasing 8% of the people who voted for them and green supporters aren't likely to buy mainstream press either. If the other parties all banged on day after day about them being hippies, like they have with UKIP and racists, their press coverage would've gone up enormously as they'd be given a right to reply. And as I think I said when you started this, blame Clegg. Along the same lines it's worth noting that only about one in ten eligable to vote voted for UKIP so it pays to have that persespective. The party is having its moment in the sun no doubt but the direction the country takes from here is unknown. The general election is a very different animal.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 May 14 7.39pm |
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Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 5.56pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 4.53pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 2.41pm
I voted for a party that's going to confront the eu. The greens. Why didn't the press give them as much coverage. Oh hang on, they want to protect worker's rights and challenge neoliberalism... I'm going to guess it's because they didn't top the vote or gain anywhere near as many MEPs. Why would "the press give them as much coverage"?
Because the media seek out the majority. They're not interested in chasing 8% of the people who voted for them and green supporters aren't likely to buy mainstream press either. If the other parties all banged on day after day about them being hippies, like they have with UKIP and racists, their press coverage would've gone up enormously as they'd be given a right to reply. And as I think I said when you started this, blame Clegg.
It beggars the old question (and worthy of a thread of its own) does public opinion sway the press or vice versa?
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| Stuk Top half 27 May 14 8.35pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 7.39pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 5.56pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 4.53pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 2.41pm
I voted for a party that's going to confront the eu. The greens. Why didn't the press give them as much coverage. Oh hang on, they want to protect worker's rights and challenge neoliberalism... I'm going to guess it's because they didn't top the vote or gain anywhere near as many MEPs. Why would "the press give them as much coverage"?
Because the media seek out the majority. They're not interested in chasing 8% of the people who voted for them and green supporters aren't likely to buy mainstream press either. If the other parties all banged on day after day about them being hippies, like they have with UKIP and racists, their press coverage would've gone up enormously as they'd be given a right to reply. And as I think I said when you started this, blame Clegg.
It beggars the old question (and worthy of a thread of its own) does public opinion sway the press or vice versa?
It cuts both ways I'd say.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 27 May 14 9.48pm |
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Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 8.35pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 7.39pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 5.56pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 4.53pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 2.41pm
I voted for a party that's going to confront the eu. The greens. Why didn't the press give them as much coverage. Oh hang on, they want to protect worker's rights and challenge neoliberalism... I'm going to guess it's because they didn't top the vote or gain anywhere near as many MEPs. Why would "the press give them as much coverage"?
Because the media seek out the majority. They're not interested in chasing 8% of the people who voted for them and green supporters aren't likely to buy mainstream press either. If the other parties all banged on day after day about them being hippies, like they have with UKIP and racists, their press coverage would've gone up enormously as they'd be given a right to reply. And as I think I said when you started this, blame Clegg.
It beggars the old question (and worthy of a thread of its own) does public opinion sway the press or vice versa?
It cuts both ways I'd say. Fair point, but the press in the main is more right wing.
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| Stuk Top half 27 May 14 10.03pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 9.48pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 8.35pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 7.39pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 5.56pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 4.53pm
Quote Stuk at 27 May 2014 3.27pm
Quote nickgusset at 27 May 2014 2.41pm
I voted for a party that's going to confront the eu. The greens. Why didn't the press give them as much coverage. Oh hang on, they want to protect worker's rights and challenge neoliberalism... I'm going to guess it's because they didn't top the vote or gain anywhere near as many MEPs. Why would "the press give them as much coverage"?
Because the media seek out the majority. They're not interested in chasing 8% of the people who voted for them and green supporters aren't likely to buy mainstream press either. If the other parties all banged on day after day about them being hippies, like they have with UKIP and racists, their press coverage would've gone up enormously as they'd be given a right to reply. And as I think I said when you started this, blame Clegg.
It beggars the old question (and worthy of a thread of its own) does public opinion sway the press or vice versa?
It cuts both ways I'd say. Fair point, but the press in the main is more right wing.
Most MPs want us in Europe. Are they not influencing the public rather than listening to them?
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