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Stirlingsays 10 Dec 21 4.00pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare I will hold out as long as I can or if push comes to shove I will give a junkie a few hundred quid to go in with my ID and get it done in my name! If we were living under Trump or this were when the left weren't superglued into the establishment.....they would be applauding you. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Dec 21 4.00pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

I will hold out as long as I can or if push comes to shove I will give a junkie a few hundred quid to go in with my ID and get it done in my name!

If we were living under Trump or this were when the left weren't superglued into the establishment.....they would be applauding you.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 21 4.40pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Comparing seatbelts to discrimination against people who want control over what is injected into their bodies is laughable - as is your dismissal of encroaching state control over more and more aspects of our lives. As I didn't, it's your comment which is laughable. I said YOU were the type who would conflate the two and complain about them. "State control" is just a buzz term being parroted by the right, probably after being picked up in dodgy social media groups, with its origins in some dark corner of a propaganda farm in Moscow. We've had laws since people started living in communities. It's not new, it's not invasive, and it's in our own hands. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 21 4.40pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Comparing seatbelts to discrimination against people who want control over what is injected into their bodies is laughable - as is your dismissal of encroaching state control over more and more aspects of our lives.

As I didn't, it's your comment which is laughable.

I said YOU were the type who would conflate the two and complain about them.

"State control" is just a buzz term being parroted by the right, probably after being picked up in dodgy social media groups, with its origins in some dark corner of a propaganda farm in Moscow.

We've had laws since people started living in communities. It's not new, it's not invasive, and it's in our own hands.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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georgenorman 10 Dec 21 4.48pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle As I didn't, it's your comment which is laughable. I said YOU were the type who would conflate the two and complain about them. "State control" is just a buzz term being parroted by the right, probably after being picked up in dodgy social media groups, with its origins in some dark corner of a propaganda farm in Moscow. We've had laws since people started living in communities. It's not new, it's not invasive, and it's in our own hands. Usual squid ink from you.
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10 Dec 21 4.48pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As I didn't, it's your comment which is laughable.

I said YOU were the type who would conflate the two and complain about them.

"State control" is just a buzz term being parroted by the right, probably after being picked up in dodgy social media groups, with its origins in some dark corner of a propaganda farm in Moscow.

We've had laws since people started living in communities. It's not new, it's not invasive, and it's in our own hands.

Usual squid ink from you.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 21 4.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays They are. However, unlike the government's assault on businesses, employment and personal movement the seatbelt law gives no inherent power to the state over the individual outside of the car. For you to talk about others scare mongering is a joke. You must spend half your time on this platform doing little else. If it wasn't so fake I'd think you scared to dress yourself for fear of straining a muscle. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2021 12.36pm) There is no assault by government on anything. That's just daft conspiracy theory which you are joining in on like the good little, well-trained, convert to the "alternative facts being real" mob of obedient lackeys that Moscow has nurtured. There is government, who pass laws. Don't like them, change them! You think warning about the dangers of what is being done by the Russians is actually the "scare mongering"? It's certainly scary, but it needs to be treated seriously. As I have said before, I give thanks you aren't responsible for our security services. I spend time on here when I take a break from my other activities, or when watching TV. So it varies, but is never that long. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 21 4.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

They are.

However, unlike the government's assault on businesses, employment and personal movement the seatbelt law gives no inherent power to the state over the individual outside of the car.

For you to talk about others scare mongering is a joke. You must spend half your time on this platform doing little else.

If it wasn't so fake I'd think you scared to dress yourself for fear of straining a muscle.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2021 12.36pm)

There is no assault by government on anything. That's just daft conspiracy theory which you are joining in on like the good little, well-trained, convert to the "alternative facts being real" mob of obedient lackeys that Moscow has nurtured. There is government, who pass laws. Don't like them, change them!

You think warning about the dangers of what is being done by the Russians is actually the "scare mongering"? It's certainly scary, but it needs to be treated seriously. As I have said before, I give thanks you aren't responsible for our security services.

I spend time on here when I take a break from my other activities, or when watching TV. So it varies, but is never that long.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 21 5.27pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays No it isn't. There are less people in hospital now than there were in October. I make no claim of certainty but I've been hearing down the grapevine that this is due to crises NHS staffing levels due to their own poor handling of this....it unsurprisingly turns out that when you push to make everyone sh1t scared that your public workers don't want to deal with Joe Public so much. Apparently this has nothing to do with waiting and seeing over variants and was pre-planned. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2021 1.55pm) What on earth are you talking about now? What does it matter whether there are fewer people in hospital now, than in October? A successful vaccination programme is responsible for that. What is being done now is to try to mitigate the potential impact of the new variant, which may, or may not, be shown to be necessary, but if it is then "waiting and seeing" would have been a disaster. If it isn't, then the brakes will come off again very fast. As my wife works for the NHS, currently in A & E, I think I might be better informed on their situation than yourself and the fairy whispers coming down a grapevine. They are under-staffed, but that's not new. They are recruiting "international staff" hard, but they all need to undergo adaptation training, and be found accommodation etc. There are no easy answers, and in the meantime the stresses are showing. Only last night, one of the department's senior nurses quit to take a less stressful job. These people aren't scared. They are dedicated to helping people, no matter how obnoxious they can be, and whilst most are very grateful, some are truly obnoxious. They are just tired. There are times when my wife will leave home at 6.15 am, return at 20.00, eat something, sleep and do the same again for days at a time, or the reverse on her night shifts. Do you wonder why I am intolerant of those who are determined to make these heroes lives more difficult by refusing to do what is asked of them? Just because they THINK they know better. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 21 5.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No it isn't.

There are less people in hospital now than there were in October.

I make no claim of certainty but I've been hearing down the grapevine that this is due to crises NHS staffing levels due to their own poor handling of this....it unsurprisingly turns out that when you push to make everyone sh1t scared that your public workers don't want to deal with Joe Public so much.

Apparently this has nothing to do with waiting and seeing over variants and was pre-planned.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2021 1.55pm)

What on earth are you talking about now?

What does it matter whether there are fewer people in hospital now, than in October? A successful vaccination programme is responsible for that.

What is being done now is to try to mitigate the potential impact of the new variant, which may, or may not, be shown to be necessary, but if it is then "waiting and seeing" would have been a disaster. If it isn't, then the brakes will come off again very fast.

As my wife works for the NHS, currently in A & E, I think I might be better informed on their situation than yourself and the fairy whispers coming down a grapevine.

They are under-staffed, but that's not new. They are recruiting
"international staff" hard, but they all need to undergo adaptation training, and be found accommodation etc. There are no easy answers, and in the meantime the stresses are showing. Only last night, one of the department's senior nurses quit to take a less stressful job. These people aren't scared. They are dedicated to helping people, no matter how obnoxious they can be, and whilst most are very grateful, some are truly obnoxious. They are just tired. There are times when my wife will leave home at 6.15 am, return at 20.00, eat something, sleep and do the same again for days at a time, or the reverse on her night shifts.

Do you wonder why I am intolerant of those who are determined to make these heroes lives more difficult by refusing to do what is asked of them? Just because they THINK they know better.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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eaglesdare 10 Dec 21 5.30pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle There is no assault by government on anything. That's just daft conspiracy theory which you are joining in on like the good little, well-trained, convert to the "alternative facts being real" mob of obedient lackeys that Moscow has nurtured. There is government, who pass laws. Don't like them, change them! You think warning about the dangers of what is being done by the Russians is actually the "scare mongering"? It's certainly scary, but it needs to be treated seriously. As I have said before, I give thanks you aren't responsible for our security services. I spend time on here when I take a break from my other activities, or when watching TV. So it varies, but is never that long. As daft as the conspiracy theorys for years by people saying you will need a QR code or a chip to go into a shop get on public transport or go about your day? Or the people last January saying that in a few months time you will need vaccine passports? What's the difference between a conspiracy theorist and the truth? About 6-7 months!
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eaglesdare

10 Dec 21 5.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I spend time on here when I take a break from my other activities, or when watching TV. So it varies, but is never that long.

As daft as the conspiracy theorys for years by people saying you will need a QR code or a chip to go into a shop get on public transport or go about your day? Or the people last January saying that in a few months time you will need vaccine passports?

What's the difference between a conspiracy theorist and the truth?

About 6-7 months!

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Stirlingsays 10 Dec 21 5.51pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare As daft as the conspiracy theorys for years by people saying you will need a QR code or a chip to go into a shop get on public transport or go about your day? Or the people last January saying that in a few months time you will need vaccine passports? What's the difference between a conspiracy theorist and the truth? About 6-7 months! I must admit I thought 'computing forever' (if you know you know) was over egging the pudding but with respect to him he's pretty much predicted it all from way back. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Dec 21 5.51pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

What's the difference between a conspiracy theorist and the truth?

About 6-7 months!

I must admit I thought 'computing forever' (if you know you know) was over egging the pudding but with respect to him he's pretty much predicted it all from way back.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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DanH SW2 10 Dec 21 6.07pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I must admit I thought 'computing forever' (if you know you know) was over egging the pudding but with respect to him he's pretty much predicted it all from way back. “Dave Cullen, better known as Computing Forever, is an Irish YouTube talker and conspiracy theorist who holds reactionary and ultra-nationalist views.” Imagine my shock.
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SW2 10 Dec 21 6.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I must admit I thought 'computing forever' (if you know you know) was over egging the pudding but with respect to him he's pretty much predicted it all from way back.

“Dave Cullen, better known as Computing Forever, is an Irish YouTube talker and conspiracy theorist who holds reactionary and ultra-nationalist views.”

Imagine my shock.

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cryrst The garden of England 10 Dec 21 6.20pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle If I read it correctly, those without a phone need to get a letter, which doubtless will take some time and be an administrative nightmare. 5 days Google vaccine passport It's the nhs one.
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The garden of England 10 Dec 21 6.20pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If I read it correctly, those without a phone need to get a letter, which doubtless will take some time and be an administrative nightmare.

5 days
Google vaccine passport
It's the nhs one.

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Stirlingsays 10 Dec 21 6.26pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle What on earth are you talking about now? What does it matter whether there are fewer people in hospital now, than in October? A successful vaccination programme is responsible for that. What is being done now is to try to mitigate the potential impact of the new variant, which may, or may not, be shown to be necessary, but if it is then "waiting and seeing" would have been a disaster. If it isn't, then the brakes will come off again very fast. As my wife works for the NHS, currently in A & E, I think I might be better informed on their situation than yourself and the fairy whispers coming down a grapevine. They are under-staffed, but that's not new. They are recruiting "international staff" hard, but they all need to undergo adaptation training, and be found accommodation etc. There are no easy answers, and in the meantime the stresses are showing. Only last night, one of the department's senior nurses quit to take a less stressful job. These people aren't scared. They are dedicated to helping people, no matter how obnoxious they can be, and whilst most are very grateful, some are truly obnoxious. They are just tired. There are times when my wife will leave home at 6.15 am, return at 20.00, eat something, sleep and do the same again for days at a time, or the reverse on her night shifts. Do you wonder why I am intolerant of those who are determined to make these heroes lives more difficult by refusing to do what is asked of them? Just because they THINK they know better. I can't help it if you can't understand the post. As for your foreign wife working in our NHS, well I appreciate her efforts. However, we should never had relied on 'international staff' in the first place and that's a consequences of 'on the cheap' politicised internationalist thinking by our political and institutional leaders.....All of these people could have been working within their own country's healthcare....which probably needs them even more than this one, while we could have invested in training our own native staff....this is a decades old issue. I will say this....She will be under strain working within the public sector due to a myriad of reasons and I have some genuine sympathy for that. However, lots of people work hard....lots of people do less than safe jobs....at least she has a job....people like you have supported the policies that have thrown many hard working and dedicated into unemployment who have to struggle to feed their families.....they don't have the benefit of an...let's be nice...individual...who is a landlord bringing in passive income. As for whether someone is obnoxious or not....let's just say...on this point I think she must be a saint. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

10 Dec 21 6.26pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What on earth are you talking about now?

What does it matter whether there are fewer people in hospital now, than in October? A successful vaccination programme is responsible for that.

As my wife works for the NHS, currently in A & E, I think I might be better informed on their situation than yourself and the fairy whispers coming down a grapevine.

Do you wonder why I am intolerant of those who are determined to make these heroes lives more difficult by refusing to do what is asked of them? Just because they THINK they know better.

I can't help it if you can't understand the post.

As for your foreign wife working in our NHS, well I appreciate her efforts. However, we should never had relied on 'international staff' in the first place and that's a consequences of 'on the cheap' politicised internationalist thinking by our political and institutional leaders.....All of these people could have been working within their own country's healthcare....which probably needs them even more than this one, while we could have invested in training our own native staff....this is a decades old issue.

I will say this....She will be under strain working within the public sector due to a myriad of reasons and I have some genuine sympathy for that.

However, lots of people work hard....lots of people do less than safe jobs....at least she has a job....people like you have supported the policies that have thrown many hard working and dedicated into unemployment who have to struggle to feed their families.....they don't have the benefit of an...let's be nice...individual...who is a landlord bringing in passive income.

As for whether someone is obnoxious or not....let's just say...on this point I think she must be a saint.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 10 Dec 21 6.35pm
Originally posted by DanH “Dave Cullen, better known as Computing Forever, is an Irish YouTube talker and conspiracy theorist who holds reactionary and ultra-nationalist views.” Imagine my shock. Is that how you learn about stuff Dan? Bless yea. It's funny when it's the guy who turns out to be right gets called a 'conspiracy theorist' by the establishment mouthpiece....when the establishment were denying all this from years back. I wouldn't say I quite agree with Cullen on all his ideas but he's certainly been correct about lots of things from quite a time ago. As someone who has watched Cullen I wouldn't say he holds 'ultra-nationalist views'....what the feck does that actually mean?....no doubt that's written by a leftist activist. But sure, he's a reactionary....but so what, so was Corbyn and you voted for him. Maybe you should actually watch Cullen before you comment. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2021 6.36pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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10 Dec 21 6.35pm

Originally posted by DanH

“Dave Cullen, better known as Computing Forever, is an Irish YouTube talker and conspiracy theorist who holds reactionary and ultra-nationalist views.”

Imagine my shock.

Is that how you learn about stuff Dan? Bless yea.

It's funny when it's the guy who turns out to be right gets called a 'conspiracy theorist' by the establishment mouthpiece....when the establishment were denying all this from years back.

I wouldn't say I quite agree with Cullen on all his ideas but he's certainly been correct about lots of things from quite a time ago.

As someone who has watched Cullen I wouldn't say he holds 'ultra-nationalist views'....what the feck does that actually mean?....no doubt that's written by a leftist activist. But sure, he's a reactionary....but so what, so was Corbyn and you voted for him.

Maybe you should actually watch Cullen before you comment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Dec 2021 6.36pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 21 6.39pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare As daft as the conspiracy theorys for years by people saying you will need a QR code or a chip to go into a shop get on public transport or go about your day? Or the people last January saying that in a few months time you will need vaccine passports? What's the difference between a conspiracy theorist and the truth? About 6-7 months! Do you understand the difference between a conspiracy theory and a prediction? Because these were predictions, not conspiracy theories. Maybe these will help. The first to understand, the second to understand why people believe conspiracy theories and how dangerous they are:- [Link] [Link] For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 21 6.39pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

What's the difference between a conspiracy theorist and the truth?

About 6-7 months!

Do you understand the difference between a conspiracy theory and a prediction? Because these were predictions, not conspiracy theories.

Maybe these will help. The first to understand, the second to understand why people believe conspiracy theories and how dangerous they are:-

[Link]

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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