Comparing seatbelts to discrimination against people who want control over what is injected into their bodies is laughable - as is your dismissal of encroaching state control over more and more aspects of our lives.

No it isn't.

There are less people in hospital now than there were in October.

I make no claim of certainty but I've been hearing down the grapevine that this is due to crises NHS staffing levels due to their own poor handling of this....it unsurprisingly turns out that when you push to make everyone sh1t scared that your public workers don't want to deal with Joe Public so much.

Apparently this has nothing to do with waiting and seeing over variants and was pre-planned.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Yes, I can see why someone would draw that conclusion, and the vast majorly will be entirely unbothered by it. I'm just pointing out that any remote negatives stating about vaccinations is children is likely still overshadowed by the actually getting covid instead, and so that there is also a logic to doing things in a certain order if people wish to.

While it's clearly a good idea for people to make sensible lifestyle choices, they are where they are in that moment. Yes we should put measures in place to help people with addiction, weight loss, mental health and the like (and do, but in an insufficient way), but these aren't a 'click your fingers' job, whereas to an extent getting people vaccinated has been so far in terms of a massive impact of jabs keeping people out of hospital. People who would've been flying through the hospital doors in their many thousands as emergencies, which makes it a unique situation in contrast to these other health issues.

The ease of getting vaccinated, puts it in stark contrast to the time in takes to resolve other concerns - it takes seconds. If people hadn't been vaccinated in vast numbers hospitals would be in a worse position. Clearly in this moment by far the very best thing to do to keep people out of hospital beds is vaccination, rather than taking a packet of cigs off someone or telling them not to eat a burger. 73% of intensive care unit admissions with Covid involve unvaccinated people, which is quite staggering considering the vastly disproportionate number of people in vaccinated groups.

In any case suspicion of the government, and government control is one of the key reasons a minority are put off getting vaccinated, so if your alternative plan is banning cigarettes and limiting alcohol consumption you bump into that same problem anyway.

True, but in all likelihood you're both going to get it anyway soon. Only being vaccinated will likely put that individual in a much better position statistically. You're possibly young enough that it won't impact you as much anyway, so you'll probably be lucky. It's unvaccinated people in intensive care for the most part though, so it fair to say that that is more of a problem yes.

I will hold out as long as I can or if push comes to shove I will give a junkie a few hundred quid to go in with my ID and get it done in my name!