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 steeleye20  Croydon 24 Oct 18 1.56pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
And that is my point entirely. Italy is no longer free to make its own financial decisions good or bad. That is the price it will pay for joining the EU and the Euro. Italy faces the same issues as Greece did, most governments would devalue their currency to make it attractive for tourism and exports Italy cannot do that. The country that benefits of course is Germany if they still had the Deutchmark it would be far higher and would impact their economy. Fascinating that, if the UK was in the euro, the EU commission could well reject a UK budget. Fiscal sense to me, Italy is piling up unsustainable debts and the economic gurus are telling them to be more responsible. If this had been applied to the UK after the financial crash we would be in a far better position now. No amount of financial trickery here and in the USA can disguise that we have ruinous debt levels, the whole thing is on the never-never.....
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Oct 18 2.10pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
I see the difference, it just doesn’t at all challenge the point I’m making; to say you voted for Brexit because of government failings is nonsensical. We already have the ability to vote the government out. No UK government can stop the free movement of people from EU. It's part of EU membership. Correct? Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 2.11pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 18 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
No UK government can stop the free movement of people from EU. It's part of EU membership. Correct? Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 2.11pm) Yes it is a fundamental principle. It is your right to love and work in the EU too, it is not a one-way street.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 18 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Yes it is a fundamental principle. It is your right to love and work in the EU too, it is not a one-way street.
love and work? well ok - I meant live, but ok
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Oct 18 2.57pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
No UK government can stop the free movement of people from EU. It's part of EU membership. Correct? Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 2.11pm) Read the post I replied to; “I don't think you understand my point. Ive never blamed immigrants for trying to better them selves, I blame government. Government failures to build enough housing stock have pushed up house prices so most of MY disposable income now goes towards my housing. I then get asked to Vote, IN or OUT. I voted OUT because of OUR Government failures not immigrants.” The post was specifically highlighting that it wasn’t about immigrants, and yet you’re challenging me about freedom of movement. You and Stirling have both tried to make this about democracy and control of our laws, when it’s blatantly obvious the post was about government policy on housing. Stop moving the goalposts.
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Pussay Patrol  24 Oct 18 3.14pm |
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I'd love to know how the EU stops us building houses
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
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| Midlands Eagle 24 Oct 18 3.17pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
It is your right to love and work in the EU too, Everywhere in the EU or just Ibiza?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Oct 18 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Read the post I replied to; “I don't think you understand my point. Ive never blamed immigrants for trying to better them selves, I blame government. Government failures to build enough housing stock have pushed up house prices so most of MY disposable income now goes towards my housing. I then get asked to Vote, IN or OUT. I voted OUT because of OUR Government failures not immigrants.” The post was specifically highlighting that it wasn’t about immigrants, and yet you’re challenging me about freedom of movement. You and Stirling have both tried to make this about democracy and control of our laws, when it’s blatantly obvious the post was about government policy on housing. Stop moving the goalposts. There has been government failure on housing AND one of the key factors is a supply-demand issue. The demand is partly due to immigration. Net migration from the EU is circa 150,000 a year, while 300,000 homes are needed to be built to sustain demand, yet the actual build is 170,000 homes per year. Do the math! Lack of supply = higher demand = higher prices. It's basic economics. I find it easier if you answer my points directly instead of someone elses!
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Oct 18 3.23pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
I'd love to know how the EU stops us building houses It's basic economics, something you have zero grasp of. If there is too much demand for housing due to more people requiring it, then prices go up due to lack of supply. Supply and demand is basic economics mate. Therefore you either decrease the demand – reduce net EU migration. UK government's hands are tied. OR Increase supply – build more houses. UK government failure. Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 3.25pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 18 3.41pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
There has been government failure on housing AND one of the key factors is a supply-demand issue. The demand is partly due to immigration. Net migration from the EU is circa 150,000 a year, while 300,000 homes are needed to be built to sustain demand, yet the actual build is 170,000 homes per year. Do the math! Lack of supply = higher demand = higher prices. It's basic economics. I find it easier if you answer my points directly instead of someone elses! That's ridiculous 150,000 EU workers here do not have new houses built for them, predominantly they rent rooms and share, they are not permanent anyway.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 24 Oct 18 4.16pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
That's ridiculous 150,000 EU workers here do not have new houses built for them, predominantly they rent rooms and share, they are not permanent anyway. UK population has grown 5mm since 2008 some of the reasons are within the control of the government others are not. The government could reduce non EU migration to compensate for freedom of movement. However if it did this drastically there would be an outcry especially amongst the Commonwealth countries. Now that we are leaving hopefully the new policy will be based on skills rather than from where you are. Clearly an ever increasing population will impact housing and public services we need to reduce the rate to a manageable level so these can catch up.
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| Stirlingsays 24 Oct 18 4.26pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
They shape their manifesto on public feeling to win your vote but it's a different story when in power. Who votes for Austerity or benefit cuts? Government brings in changes which may benefit one section of society but disadvantage another, same as europe, but it's for the greater good. EU doesn't bring in legislation to spite the UK as much as you like to think, their aim is to unify europe so we are as one and we can move and trade freely. In the main it has been a major benefit to the UK How deluded is that? All the corruption and waste that the EU has been proven to enact. All the cooked books and we get....'it's for the greater good'. The UK politicians are advantaging one side of society (even though everyone gets to vote) yet the EU.....well, 'it's for the greater good'. Man alive.
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