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 Penge Eagle  Beckenham 24 Oct 18 12.05pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So the answer to too much Capitalism is to have less regulation? What is "too much capitalism"? Did I even say there was?
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Oct 18 12.08pm |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
Just to clarify here; you voted out to put more power in the hands of the government who have failed so badly? How do you think these failures will be improved post-brexit? Because Labour or Conservative shape their policies on public feeling (generally) and if you don't like their housing or immigration policies, you can vote them out. It's called democracy. UK politicians have the UK's interests at heart – not those in Brussels. You cannot do this with the EU and have to accept free movement and its consequences no matter what. Can you not see the difference? Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 12.11pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 18 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Yesterday the unelected EU commission told the elected Italian government that their budget was unacceptable and they should go away and redo it or face sanctions. That's why I voted leave, why bother with elections lets save money and let the civil servants run the country. Everyone who joined the Euro signed up to fiscal and budget scrutiny and agreement to protect the integrity of the Euro. There is nothing to stop Italy leaving the Euro but reality of their own mismanagement. Facing Italy with reality is doing them a favour.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 18 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Because Labour or Conservative shape their policies on public feeling (generally) and if you don't like their housing or immigration policies, you can vote them out. It's called democracy. UK politicians have the UK's interests at heart – not those in Brussels. You cannot do this with the EU and have to accept free movement and its consequences no matter what. Can you not see the difference? Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 12.11pm)[/quote 'UK politicians have the UK's interests at heart' I am afraid that comment would meet with unqualified mirth in most quarters !!!!!
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Pussay Patrol  24 Oct 18 12.22pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
What is "too much capitalism"? Did I even say there was? seems that what you were alluding to Maybe you could clarify?
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| Pussay Patrol 24 Oct 18 12.41pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Because Labour or Conservative shape their policies on public feeling (generally) and if you don't like their housing or immigration policies, you can vote them out. It's called democracy. UK politicians have the UK's interests at heart – not those in Brussels. You cannot do this with the EU and have to accept free movement and its consequences no matter what. Can you not see the difference? Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 12.11pm) They shape their manifesto on public feeling to win your vote but it's a different story when in power. Who votes for Austerity or benefit cuts? Government brings in changes which may benefit one section of society but disadvantage another, same as europe, but it's for the greater good. EU doesn't bring in legislation to spite the UK as much as you like to think, their aim is to unify europe so we are as one and we can move and trade freely. In the main it has been a major benefit to the UK
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| Badger11 Beckenham 24 Oct 18 12.50pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Everyone who joined the Euro signed up to fiscal and budget scrutiny and agreement to protect the integrity of the Euro. There is nothing to stop Italy leaving the Euro but reality of their own mismanagement. Facing Italy with reality is doing them a favour. And that is my point entirely. Italy is no longer free to make its own financial decisions good or bad. That is the price it will pay for joining the EU and the Euro. Italy faces the same issues as Greece did, most governments would devalue their currency to make it attractive for tourism and exports Italy cannot do that. The country that benefits of course is Germany if they still had the Deutchmark it would be far higher and would impact their economy.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Oct 18 1.04pm |
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I genuinely don't understand what your question is? I said crony capitalism is a problem and limited, effective government – that is not corrupt – is the best solution to combat this. I want more capitalism and less regulation and the government to actually enforce the genuine, limited regulation required – but they never seem able to do that. A ban on politicians working for banks would be a step in the right direction but not sure it is actually enforceable. What happens in the EU is big business and banks lobby its officials and MEPs in private and there is very little transparency, which is a bad thing. Crony capitalism is rife and I don't want the UK to be a part of that, hence a reason to vote leave. The raft of bureaucracy the EU brings in each year can be handled by the large corporations because they have the money. But it f***s up the little guy trying to run a small business. Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 1.18pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 18 1.21pm |
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In practice the EU commission is mindful of their members interests and adapts in a way that the UK could never do. It has reacted to their immigration concerns, members are setting their own quotas now, provided that the principle of free movement remains. Immigration here is a concern but EU people are the wrong target entirely. Just looking out of my High St. Croydon window I would estimate the population as less than 0.1% from the EU. It's pointless creating about free movement when the problem is so obviously elsewhere.
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| Pussay Patrol 24 Oct 18 1.33pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
I genuinely don't understand what your question is? I said crony capitalism is a problem and limited, effective government – that is not corrupt – is the best solution to combat this. I want more capitalism and less regulation and the government to actually enforce the genuine, limited regulation required – but they never seem able to do that. A ban on politicians working for banks would be a step in the right direction but not sure it is actually enforceable. What happens in the EU is big business and banks lobby its officials and MEPs in private and there is very little transparency, which is a bad thing. Crony capitalism is rife and I don't want the UK to be a part of that, hence a reason to vote leave. The raft of bureaucracy the EU brings in each year can be handled by the large corporations because they have the money. But it f***s up the little guy trying to run a small business. Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 1.18pm) Less regulation leads to casino style speculating by Banks, Companies asset stripped and dumped like BHS, property bubbles and ultimately the widening of the wealth gap
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 24 Oct 18 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
Less regulation leads to casino style speculating by Banks, Companies asset stripped and dumped like BHS, property bubbles and ultimately the widening of the wealth gap I specifically said necessary "genuine" regulation to stop the casino stuff. Not the unnecessary stuff which there is s*** loads. For example, regulation that would stop a new bank from entering the market to compete.
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| EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Oct 18 1.43pm |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
Because Labour or Conservative shape their policies on public feeling (generally) and if you don't like their housing or immigration policies, you can vote them out. It's called democracy. UK politicians have the UK's interests at heart – not those in Brussels. You cannot do this with the EU and have to accept free movement and its consequences no matter what. Can you not see the difference? Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 12.11pm) I see the difference, it just doesn’t at all challenge the point I’m making; to say you voted for Brexit because of government failings is nonsensical. We already have the ability to vote the government out.
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