Please search back. Then apologise.

You didn't even realise that FFP2 and N95 are the same. So who is talking rubbish?

Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers

RE: natural infection vs vaccination, there are significant strengths and differences to both that make it hard to state compare. They certainly complement one another very well though in terms of covering all the bases. A very important factor surely is that vaccination is proven to radically cushion the blow of covid in adults, hence it's objectively the better health choice to make prior to catching it. People are perfectly able to make their own health decisions though yes, good or bad.

Also, in saying that having covid doses and a booster relates to doing this for a lifetime I don't see that as being true either. There may be a political push for it, but from a scientific perspective getting vaccinated puts you in a very good position in you contract covid, which I would argue is very likely for most of us.. and when that happens, getting covid will also offer additional immunity and so on. So even if people do opt out of regular vaccination in future, they will likely retain significant ongoing immunity, which I was under the impression is in the interests of us all.

That said, in especially vulnerable groups, much like the flu jab it would seem to be sensible to continue with jabs that are best aligned with whatever variant is facing them, especially if it may have something of a kick to it.

I understand that fears of mandatory vaccinations and the like may worry some. I don't think that should ever happen and am only commenting from a perspective of what I see as being the best health choices to make as an individual and for society at this time.

Not me.

You’ve discredited yourself completely over the last 24 hours. I see no reason to take you seriously.

Everything I’ve posted about mask effectiveness references research and factual evidence from reputable sources, and successfully takes out almost all of your points. Especially the ones around mask wearing. You’ve not responded directly and in detail to any of the points that counter your assumptions, as always.

FFP2 and N95 are actually technically slightly different. One is slightly less efficient than the other, they’re produced in different countries under different tests and standards. They are comparable, but they are not the same.

I think we’re done here.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

Well they will catch the virus anyway vaccinated or not so I thought it moot. I would be interested to know what the statistics are on that condition and its strength - vaccinated with versus infected without.....given that so many young people have taken the vaccines now.

I suppose we differ a little insomuch as I have a firm position on this one whereas you can see an argument for both positions.

My position is that unless there is an immune issue the young should not be encouraged to take these particular vaccines, for the initial reasons described.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I have heard doctors being interviewed on TV in the last 25 hours, saying they are under severe strain with workload. This is attributed to playing 'catch-up' on patients who's treatment/operations have been deferred, and the fact people are getting more freedoms (work, driving, drinking) where accidents are more likely to happen.
Seems to be similar vein in the ones i've seen. "Need more staff and facilities."

I disengage, I turn the page.

I generally agree with all of that, apart from maybe the nannying of forced exercise - only differ a little in how deep the last scenario goes, but generally sound. Obviously that’s a long term strategy tho and not a required instant response to the situation as is, now.

As I’ve said to many on here before, if you want your eyes opened re Pharma, read anything and everything by Ben Goldacre.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.