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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 18 9.09am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow As is the case now, that doesn’t address my question - the post was about government failures (mainly re housing); I want to know how voting for Brexit will improve these government failures. It won't improve those failures. What voting for Brexit will do is ensure that there is always a British government making those decisions. Rather than an EU one with ever encroaching power, where you can't vote them out. Democracy spoke. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 9.47am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Oct 18 9.09am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

As is the case now, that doesn’t address my question - the post was about government failures (mainly re housing); I want to know how voting for Brexit will improve these government failures.

It won't improve those failures. What voting for Brexit will do is ensure that there is always a British government making those decisions.

Rather than an EU one with ever encroaching power, where you can't vote them out.

Democracy spoke.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 9.47am)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Oct 18 9.20am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I won't improve those failures. What voting for Brexit will do is ensure that there is always a British government making those decisions. Rather than an EU one with ever encroaching power, where you can't vote them out. Democracy spoke. So, in summary, you would agree that to say “I voted out for government failures” doesn’t make any sense, as they will not improve.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I won't improve those failures. What voting for Brexit will do is ensure that there is always a British government making those decisions.

Rather than an EU one with ever encroaching power, where you can't vote them out.

Democracy spoke.

So, in summary, you would agree that to say “I voted out for government failures” doesn’t make any sense, as they will not improve.

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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 18 9.43am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow So, in summary, you would agree that to say “I voted out for government failures” doesn’t make any sense, as they will not improve. That's your characterisation. I voted out for immigration. However, I can also see the argument for voting out to stop the encroachment of EU power over individual Europe elected parliaments.....A situation where an individual would have zero say on any individual policy, including housing. I've little doubt that a few on the left would have voted out for this reason.....it use to be quite a common left wing position....indeed a variant of Corbyn's for most of his political career. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 9.46am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Oct 18 9.43am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

So, in summary, you would agree that to say “I voted out for government failures” doesn’t make any sense, as they will not improve.

That's your characterisation.

I voted out for immigration.

However, I can also see the argument for voting out to stop the encroachment of EU power over individual Europe elected parliaments.....A situation where an individual would have zero say on any individual policy, including housing.

I've little doubt that a few on the left would have voted out for this reason.....it use to be quite a common left wing position....indeed a variant of Corbyn's for most of his political career.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 9.46am)

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Badger11 Beckenham 24 Oct 18 9.50am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's your characterisation. I voted out for immigration. However, I can also see the argument for voting out to stop the encroachment of EU power over individual Europe elected parliaments.....A situation where an individual would have zero say on any individual policy, including housing. I've little doubt that a few on the left would have voted out for this reason.....it use to be quite a common left wing position....indeed a variant of Corbyn's for most of his political career. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 9.46am) Yesterday the unelected EU commission told the elected Italian government that their budget was unacceptable and they should go away and redo it or face sanctions. That's why I voted leave, why bother with elections lets save money and let the civil servants run the country. [Link] One more point
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's your characterisation.

I voted out for immigration.

However, I can also see the argument for voting out to stop the encroachment of EU power over individual Europe elected parliaments.....A situation where an individual would have zero say on any individual policy, including housing.

I've little doubt that a few on the left would have voted out for this reason.....it use to be quite a common left wing position....indeed a variant of Corbyn's for most of his political career.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 9.46am)

Yesterday the unelected EU commission told the elected Italian government that their budget was unacceptable and they should go away and redo it or face sanctions.

That's why I voted leave, why bother with elections lets save money and let the civil servants run the country.
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One more point

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Midlands Eagle 24 Oct 18 10.06am
Originally posted by Badger11 Yesterday the unelected EU commission told the elected Italian government that their budget was unacceptable and they should go away and redo it or face sanctions. That's why I voted leave, why bother with elections lets save money and let the civil servants run the country. Me too. Plus the tampon tax of course
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Originally posted by Badger11

Yesterday the unelected EU commission told the elected Italian government that their budget was unacceptable and they should go away and redo it or face sanctions.

That's why I voted leave, why bother with elections lets save money and let the civil servants run the country.

Me too. Plus the tampon tax of course

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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 18 10.10am
Originally posted by Badger11 Yesterday the unelected EU commission told the elected Italian government that their budget was unacceptable and they should go away and redo it or face sanctions. That's why I voted leave, why bother with elections lets save money and let the civil servants run the country. [Link] There's a lot of clueless remain supporters who don't really understand how the EU works. A fair number were fear mongered into remain by those governmental leaflets.....leaflets that have already been discredited. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 10.10am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Oct 18 10.10am

Originally posted by Badger11

Yesterday the unelected EU commission told the elected Italian government that their budget was unacceptable and they should go away and redo it or face sanctions.

That's why I voted leave, why bother with elections lets save money and let the civil servants run the country.
[Link]

There's a lot of clueless remain supporters who don't really understand how the EU works. A fair number were fear mongered into remain by those governmental leaflets.....leaflets that have already been discredited.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 10.10am)

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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 24 Oct 18 10.29am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's your characterisation. I voted out for immigration. However, I can also see the argument for voting out to stop the encroachment of EU power over individual Europe elected parliaments.....A situation where an individual would have zero say on any individual policy, including housing. I've little doubt that a few on the left would have voted out for this reason.....it use to be quite a common left wing position....indeed a variant of Corbyn's for most of his political career. Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 9.46am) I have no idea why you’ve gone into any of that. A poster made a claim about government failures.. I challenged it and you actually agreed that it would not improve. The end. That was, and remains, the only point I was making.
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SE19 24 Oct 18 10.29am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's your characterisation.

I voted out for immigration.

I've little doubt that a few on the left would have voted out for this reason.....it use to be quite a common left wing position....indeed a variant of Corbyn's for most of his political career.

Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Oct 2018 9.46am)

I have no idea why you’ve gone into any of that.

A poster made a claim about government failures.. I challenged it and you actually agreed that it would not improve. The end.

That was, and remains, the only point I was making.

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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 18 10.41am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I have no idea why you’ve gone into any of that. A poster made a claim about government failures.. I challenged it and you actually agreed that it would not improve. The end. That was, and remains, the only point I was making. Well, actually you related the housing point to a Brexit vote. Hence talking about why voting 'remain' is potentially worse in having a say on housing does have relevance. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Oct 18 10.41am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I have no idea why you’ve gone into any of that.

A poster made a claim about government failures.. I challenged it and you actually agreed that it would not improve. The end.

That was, and remains, the only point I was making.

Well, actually you related the housing point to a Brexit vote.

Hence talking about why voting 'remain' is potentially worse in having a say on housing does have relevance.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Pussay Patrol 24 Oct 18 11.03am
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow I have no idea why you’ve gone into any of that. A poster made a claim about government failures.. I challenged it and you actually agreed that it would not improve. The end. That was, and remains, the only point I was making. In a nutshell, he is like many others, sadly not a small minority, who are happy to be worse off from Brexit as long as foreigners leave Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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24 Oct 18 11.03am

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I have no idea why you’ve gone into any of that.

A poster made a claim about government failures.. I challenged it and you actually agreed that it would not improve. The end.

That was, and remains, the only point I was making.

In a nutshell, he is like many others, sadly not a small minority, who are happy to be worse off from Brexit as long as foreigners leave

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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Stirlingsays 24 Oct 18 11.05am
Originally posted by Pussay Patrol In a nutshell, he is like many others, sadly not a small minority, who are happy to be worse off from Brexit as long as foreigners leave Not totally inaccurate. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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24 Oct 18 11.05am

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

In a nutshell, he is like many others, sadly not a small minority, who are happy to be worse off from Brexit as long as foreigners leave

Not totally inaccurate.

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Pussay Patrol 24 Oct 18 11.09am
Originally posted by Penge Eagle I agree crony capitalism is a problem. It's one of the many reasons why the EU is so bad. The best solution is limited government and leaving the EU. Former President of the European Commission José Manuel Barroso is the non-executive chairman at Goldman Sachs. Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is chairman of Russia’s biggest oil producer Rosneft. George Osborne works for asset manager BlackRock, one day a week for £650,000-a-year. etc etc etc Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 1.51am) So the answer to too much Capitalism is to have less regulation? Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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24 Oct 18 11.09am

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

I agree crony capitalism is a problem. It's one of the many reasons why the EU is so bad.

The best solution is limited government and leaving the EU.

Former President of the European Commission José Manuel Barroso is the non-executive chairman at Goldman Sachs.

Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is chairman of Russia’s biggest oil producer Rosneft.

George Osborne works for asset manager BlackRock, one day a week for £650,000-a-year.

etc etc etc

Edited by Penge Eagle (24 Oct 2018 1.51am)

So the answer to too much Capitalism is to have less regulation?

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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steeleye20 Croydon 24 Oct 18 11.30am
The only sensible way for us now is to revoke Article 50. Brexit is a train going over a cliff. I don't think I can recall a successful government project ever, any new project is by definition a complete disaster. Our current crop of disasters have nothing to do with the EU. D-Day was an example of meticulous planning and attention to detail, Westminster does not do any of that. Fortunately democracy was not involved then so it was suuccessful, not that the British system has much democracy anyway.
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