PCR test. Which are significantly more likely to miss cases than state false positives, so all you're essentially saying is that the 3,345 positives allowed in via India was an undercount. You will of course already know this based on your wildly extensive knowledge...

I, for one, always find it reassuring when a "Dr" uses the grammar of a cabbie.

As for how and why these people got onto a plane in the first first, individual countries of course have their own policies or failings in their systems. It's up to us to impose sensible policies our side, especially at a time like this.

Also, for what it's worth rather than 'lies' I have posted numerous studies that demonstrate what is now known and accepted. That vaccinated people are both less likely to contract covid (not just to display fewer symptoms), and less likely to spread it to others. Comically these were areas you bizarrely fought tooth and nail over previously and appeared to be in complete denial of. No doubt you're waiting for a definitive three year retrospective study before making up your mind about anything. What an effective strategy during a pandemic.

Edited by BlueJay (16 May 2021 3.45pm)

You've re-read my first reply.

I've given you my opinion.

I like orange.

The vaccines are available free on the NHS for everyone to protect themselves and their families. Clearly, they've had an impact on the spread of the virus.

As far as I'm aware, and I thought I'd already said that, there aren't any erudite medical reports available but what proof are you seeking?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

You're purposefully warping what was said on both counts. Plus on travel I said "there may be restrictions with travel and suchlike as result (of not getting vaccinated), which is true of some other vaccines too."

I'm stated what 'may' and in fact is likely to come about. You know this, so stop being disingenuous. Why do you think the 'vaccine passport' is being rolled out? For fun? It's the same when I stated that vaccinated people are less likely to spread covid. In the next post you immediately inferred that I believed it was impossible for them to spread it. If you want a conversation based on fantasy, please have it with yourself.

I don't have the time to indulge in ever changing arguments when the one you're engaged in becomes something you don't want to hear.

My comment was to w12 who stated that 99% of people shouldn't bothered to get vaccinated. I highlighted why that is a foolish stance to have.

You chimed into that discussion with "why would anyone be concerned about those who have not been vaccinated?"

I offered multiple reasons why increased vaccination take up is sensible and could be deemed to be a concern where it does not happen.

On the same bloomin' day we get several (a clear majority of those hospitalised) Bolton Bellends eligible to get vaccinated ending up in hospital for not doing so. They have your 'thumbs up' because your attitude towards their brainless decision is basically 'who cares'. Their behaviour in taking up hospital beds through their own stupidity does not bother you. I prefer to think that it's better, as we open up nationally during a pandemic, that we avoid this happening on a mass scale. Hence why I care about people being vaccinated - and why the vaccination drive is being ramped up. It's not difficult to understand, nor is it to get vaccinated.

This back and forth has run its course.

Edited by BlueJay (17 May 2021 1.01am)

If you have downloaded the NHS App (Not the track and trace one) and you've had both jabs you should have the vaccine passport now.

As well as your vaccine history you have a QR code which hopefully you will be able to use at an electronic passport gate.

So enjoy your holiday and look forward to rubbing shoulders with unvaccinated people from red countries when you get back to Heathrow.

Edited by Badger11 (18 May 2021 8.05am)

One more point

I haven't heard this story but there have been others largely around UK citizens living in Spain who don't have the necessary residency papers. They say they do and it appears that the Spanish border officials are being dicks.

25% of Spanish people are employed in tourism not a good look for your country and your economy.

One more point

I note that Andy Burnham is insisting that the government do more vaccinating to sort out the Indian variant in his area - why didn't he just tell his constituents to have the vaccine in the first place!
Nearly everyone now hospitalised in his area have not had the vaccine when they could have done.
Make me sick when people in charge won't blame the people causing the bloody problem!