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chris123 hove actually 20 Oct 18 5.45pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 Remain is the only option for the UK. The EU is not anxious for the divorce bill and now making plans for the exit without a deal. The UK economy would be devastated, and it is already in a parlous state with no assets after 40 years of privatisation piggery. On which metric parlous? Edited by chris123 (20 Oct 2018 5.54pm)
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hove actually 20 Oct 18 5.45pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

Remain is the only option for the UK.

The EU is not anxious for the divorce bill and now making plans for the exit without a deal.

The UK economy would be devastated, and it is already in a parlous state with no assets after 40 years of privatisation piggery.

On which metric parlous?

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Fatherken 20 Oct 18 5.51pm
I marched not to go to war but we did , so this will not change anything I voted to leave , so did a majority of the country get used to it
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Fatherken

20 Oct 18 5.51pm

I marched not to go to war but we did , so this will not change anything
I voted to leave , so did a majority of the country get used to it

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Bert the Head Epsom 20 Oct 18 11.54pm
Originally posted by Fatherken I marched not to go to war but we did , so this will not change anything I voted to leave , so did a majority of the country get used to it I marched not to go to war although I don't know how that relates to this...other than those who marched not to go to war have been proved right by history and the right wing press - owned by people who don't even live here - as ever, has been proved wrong. A tiny majority of the country voted to leave and it has been proved that the information they were given was lies. There was no plan or honest discussion of what leave meant. Just as the case made for war was lies and there was no plan for what happened afterwards. It is important to guard against a tyranny of the majority. What are you Brexiters afraid of, a second referendum just give the Brexiters a chance to prove that people know what it it actually involves and they will still vote leave...
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Bert the Head

Epsom 20 Oct 18 11.54pm

Originally posted by Fatherken

I marched not to go to war but we did , so this will not change anything
I voted to leave , so did a majority of the country get used to it

I marched not to go to war although I don't know how that relates to this...other than those who marched not to go to war have been proved right by history and the right wing press - owned by people who don't even live here - as ever, has been proved wrong.

A tiny majority of the country voted to leave and it has been proved that the information they were given was lies. There was no plan or honest discussion of what leave meant. Just as the case made for war was lies and there was no plan for what happened afterwards. It is important to guard against a tyranny of the majority.

What are you Brexiters afraid of, a second referendum just give the Brexiters a chance to prove that people know what it it actually involves and they will still vote leave...

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 21 Oct 18 12.06am
Originally posted by Bert the Head I marched not to go to war although I don't know how that relates to this...other than those who marched not to go to war have been proved right by history and the right wing press - owned by people who don't even live here - as ever, has been proved wrong. A tiny majority of the country voted to leave and it has been proved that the information they were given was lies. There was no plan or honest discussion of what leave meant. Just as the case made for war was lies and there was no plan for what happened afterwards. It is important to guard against a tyranny of the majority. What are you Brexiters afraid of, a second referendum just give the Brexiters a chance to prove that people know what it it actually involves and they will still vote leave... It's interesting to note that Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell ignored a march that attracted more people than today's when they were in government but are now demanding that this government pays attention to and acts on this one. I'm glad to say that I opposed Blair then and I oppose him now. I, at least, am consistent. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 21 Oct 18 12.06am

Originally posted by Bert the Head

What are you Brexiters afraid of, a second referendum just give the Brexiters a chance to prove that people know what it it actually involves and they will still vote leave...

It's interesting to note that Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell ignored a march that attracted more people than today's when they were in government but are now demanding that this government pays attention to and acts on this one.

I'm glad to say that I opposed Blair then and I oppose him now.

I, at least, am consistent.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Mapletree Croydon 21 Oct 18 12.53am
Originally posted by Fatherken I marched not to go to war but we did , so this will not change anything I voted to leave , so did a majority of the country get used to it Yup And on 5 May 2005 people voted for a Labour Government. Yet somehow we no longer have a Labour Government. It seems democracy allows people to reconsider their views occasionally. Especially when the circumstances change or new information comes to light. Amazingly ‘the will of the people’ proves to be a moving target, who’d a thought it?
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Mapletree

Croydon 21 Oct 18 12.53am

Originally posted by Fatherken

I marched not to go to war but we did , so this will not change anything
I voted to leave , so did a majority of the country get used to it

Yup

And on 5 May 2005 people voted for a Labour Government. Yet somehow we no longer have a Labour Government. It seems democracy allows people to reconsider their views occasionally. Especially when the circumstances change or new information comes to light. Amazingly ‘the will of the people’ proves to be a moving target, who’d a thought it?

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 21 Oct 18 1.10am
Originally posted by Mapletree Yup And on 5 May 2005 people voted for a Labour Government. Yet somehow we no longer have a Labour Government. It seems democracy allows people to reconsider their views occasionally. Especially when the circumstances change or new information comes to light. Amazingly ‘the will of the people’ proves to be a moving target, who’d a thought it? Well, an EU referendum every 40 years is the emerging pattern which seems reasonable. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Cucking Funt

Clapham on the Back 21 Oct 18 1.10am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Yup

Well, an EU referendum every 40 years is the emerging pattern which seems reasonable.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Mapletree Croydon 21 Oct 18 1.13am
Originally posted by Cucking Funt Well, an EU referendum every 40 years is the emerging pattern which seems reasonable. I am sure it is. I expect you also approve of the direction of Turkish politics. Once the people have spoken no point in wasting effort on future political change eh Cucking?
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Mapletree

Croydon 21 Oct 18 1.13am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Well, an EU referendum every 40 years is the emerging pattern which seems reasonable.

I am sure it is. I expect you also approve of the direction of Turkish politics. Once the people have spoken no point in wasting effort on future political change eh Cucking?

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cardiff eagle 21 Oct 18 2.47am
For those of you that want another vote, what happens if remain wins? Do we then do another vote as its 1-1 in voting results or should we then accept the result because it was the result you wanted?
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cardiff eagle

21 Oct 18 2.47am

For those of you that want another vote, what happens if remain wins? Do we then do another vote as its 1-1 in voting results or should we then accept the result because it was the result you wanted?

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JL85 London,SE9 21 Oct 18 7.54am
Originally posted by cardiff eagle For those of you that want another vote, what happens if remain wins? Do we then do another vote as its 1-1 in voting results or should we then accept the result because it was the result you wanted? We remain until someone puts forward a legitimate case for us to leave.
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JL85

London,SE9 21 Oct 18 7.54am

Originally posted by cardiff eagle

For those of you that want another vote, what happens if remain wins? Do we then do another vote as its 1-1 in voting results or should we then accept the result because it was the result you wanted?

We remain until someone puts forward a legitimate case for us to leave.

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Badger11 Beckenham 21 Oct 18 8.51am
Originally posted by JL85 We remain until someone puts forward a legitimate case for us to leave. They did and we voted to leave. Why do people keep bashing the Brexit campaign they would be better off examining the failure of the Remain campaign. - The government was not neutral it was pro Remain - The government spent millions on leaflets and other methods to persuade us to remain. - Industry, civil service and the unions were nearly all pro remain and lobbied for that. - The luvvies were all remain and lobbied on social media for us to remain. - The Bank of England, IMF and many other international bodies were all pro remain and bought into project fear. - President Obama openly told us if we leave we go to the back of the queue. I could go on but despite the mass ranks on the remain side the people voted to leave. I think because the Brexit camp had a simple message which was take back control of our country. What was the remain message? Project fear. The Remain camp completely failed to put across the positive benefits of staying in the EU. British people don't like being threaten and that was the basis of the Remain campaign a major tactical error. I could have put a better case for staying in it was pathetic. As for the argument that we have to stay in to influence the EU well that one died when Merkel sent Cameron away with a flea in his ear and gave him nothing. Where was our influence? We voted to leave because the Remain campaign was a shambles and they assumed we would vote to stay out of fear and because we are good little drones. Never underestimate the obstinacy of the British people just ask Hitler and Napoleon. Even today I still have not heard a coherent message from Remainers as to why staying would be good for Britain, it is still all project fear they still haven't learned you have to change the message. One more point
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Beckenham 21 Oct 18 8.51am

Originally posted by JL85

We remain until someone puts forward a legitimate case for us to leave.

They did and we voted to leave. Why do people keep bashing the Brexit campaign they would be better off examining the failure of the Remain campaign.

- The government was not neutral it was pro Remain
- The government spent millions on leaflets and other methods to persuade us to remain.
- Industry, civil service and the unions were nearly all pro remain and lobbied for that.
- The luvvies were all remain and lobbied on social media for us to remain.
- The Bank of England, IMF and many other international bodies were all pro remain and bought into project fear.
- President Obama openly told us if we leave we go to the back of the queue.

I could go on but despite the mass ranks on the remain side the people voted to leave. I think because the Brexit camp had a simple message which was take back control of our country.

What was the remain message? Project fear. The Remain camp completely failed to put across the positive benefits of staying in the EU. British people don't like being threaten and that was the basis of the Remain campaign a major tactical error. I could have put a better case for staying in it was pathetic.

As for the argument that we have to stay in to influence the EU well that one died when Merkel sent Cameron away with a flea in his ear and gave him nothing. Where was our influence?

We voted to leave because the Remain campaign was a shambles and they assumed we would vote to stay out of fear and because we are good little drones. Never underestimate the obstinacy of the British people just ask Hitler and Napoleon.

Even today I still have not heard a coherent message from Remainers as to why staying would be good for Britain, it is still all project fear they still haven't learned you have to change the message.

One more point

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Mapletree Croydon 21 Oct 18 9.40am
Originally posted by Badger11 They did and we voted to leave. Why do people keep bashing the Brexit campaign they would be better off examining the failure of the Remain campaign. - The government was not neutral it was pro Remain - The government spent millions on leaflets and other methods to persuade us to remain. - Industry, civil service and the unions were nearly all pro remain and lobbied for that. - The luvvies were all remain and lobbied on social media for us to remain. - The Bank of England, IMF and many other international bodies were all pro remain and bought into project fear. - President Obama openly told us if we leave we go to the back of the queue. I could go on but despite the mass ranks on the remain side the people voted to leave. I think because the Brexit camp had a simple message which was take back control of our country. What was the remain message? Project fear. The Remain camp completely failed to put across the positive benefits of staying in the EU. British people don't like being threaten and that was the basis of the Remain campaign a major tactical error. I could have put a better case for staying in it was pathetic. As for the argument that we have to stay in to influence the EU well that one died when Merkel sent Cameron away with a flea in his ear and gave him nothing. Where was our influence? We voted to leave because the Remain campaign was a shambles and they assumed we would vote to stay out of fear and because we are good little drones. Never underestimate the obstinacy of the British people just ask Hitler and Napoleon. Even today I still have not heard a coherent message from Remainers as to why staying would be good for Britain, it is still all project fear they still haven't learned you have to change the message. You say project fear. I say I lost my job as a result of the vote very soon after it happened. There have been and will be many more as we swap well paying jobs for menial ones.
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Mapletree

Croydon 21 Oct 18 9.40am

Originally posted by Badger11

They did and we voted to leave. Why do people keep bashing the Brexit campaign they would be better off examining the failure of the Remain campaign.

I could go on but despite the mass ranks on the remain side the people voted to leave. I think because the Brexit camp had a simple message which was take back control of our country.

As for the argument that we have to stay in to influence the EU well that one died when Merkel sent Cameron away with a flea in his ear and gave him nothing. Where was our influence?

You say project fear. I say I lost my job as a result of the vote very soon after it happened. There have been and will be many more as we swap well paying jobs for menial ones.

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Pussay Patrol 21 Oct 18 10.30am
Originally posted by Badger11 They did and we voted to leave. Why do people keep bashing the Brexit campaign they would be better off examining the failure of the Remain campaign. - The government was not neutral it was pro Remain - The government spent millions on leaflets and other methods to persuade us to remain. - Industry, civil service and the unions were nearly all pro remain and lobbied for that. - The luvvies were all remain and lobbied on social media for us to remain. - The Bank of England, IMF and many other international bodies were all pro remain and bought into project fear. - President Obama openly told us if we leave we go to the back of the queue. I could go on but despite the mass ranks on the remain side the people voted to leave. I think because the Brexit camp had a simple message which was take back control of our country. What was the remain message? Project fear. The Remain camp completely failed to put across the positive benefits of staying in the EU. British people don't like being threaten and that was the basis of the Remain campaign a major tactical error. I could have put a better case for staying in it was pathetic. As for the argument that we have to stay in to influence the EU well that one died when Merkel sent Cameron away with a flea in his ear and gave him nothing. Where was our influence? We voted to leave because the Remain campaign was a shambles and they assumed we would vote to stay out of fear and because we are good little drones. Never underestimate the obstinacy of the British people just ask Hitler and Napoleon. Even today I still have not heard a coherent message from Remainers as to why staying would be good for Britain, it is still all project fear they still haven't learned you have to change the message. That just tells me the remain argument, which is still as valid today if not more was based on facts and evidence about the economic implications but perhaps that seems not a sexy enough reason to vote. The leave campaign was based on scaremongering over immigration, that the EU were our enemy, we were being mugged off and tapping into people's nostaligic and nationalistic sentiments. Farage with his big posters of immigration queues in Hungary and the bus with 350m written on the side. All now known to be complete crap but no ramifications. I suppose the man in the street is easily pursuaded by this Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah
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Pussay Patrol

21 Oct 18 10.30am

Originally posted by Badger11

They did and we voted to leave. Why do people keep bashing the Brexit campaign they would be better off examining the failure of the Remain campaign.

I could go on but despite the mass ranks on the remain side the people voted to leave. I think because the Brexit camp had a simple message which was take back control of our country.

As for the argument that we have to stay in to influence the EU well that one died when Merkel sent Cameron away with a flea in his ear and gave him nothing. Where was our influence?

That just tells me the remain argument, which is still as valid today if not more was based on facts and evidence about the economic implications but perhaps that seems not a sexy enough reason to vote. The leave campaign was based on scaremongering over immigration, that the EU were our enemy, we were being mugged off and tapping into people's nostaligic and nationalistic sentiments. Farage with his big posters of immigration queues in Hungary and the bus with 350m written on the side. All now known to be complete crap but no ramifications. I suppose the man in the street is easily pursuaded by this

Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah

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