I can certainly see why that would be the case for antibody levels. My thinking would be that for those who are significantly impacted by covid, it would be better to be vaccinated first to take the edge off things. As in those hospitalised have very high antibody levels but it also screwed their health over, possibly more than we even realise yet.

Interestingly I got covid after one jab, and around the time of the second. So I guess that's a half way house. I had my booster jab recently so should be in about the best position possible to combat what comes next. In several studies two jabs and a booster jab drastically increased antibody levels, and not to mention T cell immunity which plays an important role even when there is significant immune escape.

Not unless you get so badly infected that you require hospitalisation, by which time you could have infected many others and be using NHS resources that could have been avoided had you been vaccinated.

Great result, especially as these don't have nearly so much safety evidence as the vaccines now do.

Be sensible, do your duty to the rest of us and go and get vaccinated. Your shoulder will thank you for it. So will I and my cancer. So will my wife and her over-worked colleagues, who are receiving unvaccinated patients, sick with covid, every day.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

You can take your 'advice' and stick it in your Cornish pastie.

'Do your duty'. You ain't worthy of saying those words.

Edited by Stirlingsays (07 Dec 2021 11.24pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Quick poll, who wears a mask whilst attending the match? I think I saw maybe one or two at the last game in the bar and seats around. Funnily enough there were more than that wearing them outside the ground.

Even though we rarely quite agree, I normally quite enjoy your infrequent postings.....Well actually I still like the forthrightness here even if these insults apply to the likes of me.

However obviously I differ.....but lets not go on about why as it's been laboured over for a good percent of these over thousand pages. I've argued against all the points you've made here and provided links and so on but we all know that our respective minds are made up (though I will look again).

I have to say though, you really don't like the lower orders do you SW?....it's almost like IQ nationalism, something I also have an inclination towards but just not with quite your emotive drive.

Also, I have to say, it does seem that if you were a stick of rock and they broke you in two the insides would read, 'Blair Voter'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Dec 2021 3.16pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

FFP2 block out about 95% of aerosols , FFP3 99%, and so the latter is better, but the former is much better than the average crappy mask, especially if viral load and the like factor in. To my mind it only applies to environments where, say, the elderly potentially 'have to' go, like super markets and transport. There is an aspect of community spirit to doing your best by others in those environments.

If you're in the business of highlighting logic also get on with having the boostere, because it's a very similar argument. The latest studies combined with those prior demonstrate that getting the booster jab is bound to put you and your immunity in a much better position against new variants than not bothering.

This isn't an argument about getting vaccinated, as I get that the odd person just won't come what may. It's more that if you're going to go down the vaccination route it's best to do so in a way that is effective and rational. As those of various schools of thought have pointed out, many of us are bound to catch covid anyway (indeed many of us have), which in turn will provide additional immunity. It's all about putting yourself, others and the NHS in the best position possible should that happen.

Edited by BlueJay (08 Dec 2021 5.20pm)