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eaglesdare 13 Jun 23 10.46am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The first, as a simple message, is broadly true. The second proved not to be, but was probably believed to be true at the time it was made. Both statements by Biden are false and mis-information. How was it believed to be true at the time? there was no testing on transmissions. [Link] - some false claims by sleepy joe
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jun 23 9.36am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Both statements by Biden are false and mis-information. How was it believed to be true at the time? there was no testing on transmissions. [Link] - some false claims by sleepy joe No they aren't. He is a politician, so does what all politicians do. Which is to emphasise what suits their agenda and also make mistakes when going off script. Shine a light on any politician and you would get a similar picture. The CNN analysis was interesting. Particularly this paragraph:- "Unlike his uniquely dishonest predecessor, Biden did not bury fact-checkers in a daily avalanche of serial falseness. Biden never came close to making a dozen false claims in a single speech, let alone five dozen false claims in one address, as Trump once did. In fact, the total number of Biden false claims so far is in the dozens, while Trump delivered well over 1,000 total false claims in his own first year and more than 3,000 the next year."
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eaglesdare 14 Jun 23 9.51am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No they aren't. He is a politician, so does what all politicians do. Which is to emphasise what suits their agenda and also make mistakes when going off script. Shine a light on any politician and you would get a similar picture. The CNN analysis was interesting. Particularly this paragraph:- "Unlike his uniquely dishonest predecessor, Biden did not bury fact-checkers in a daily avalanche of serial falseness. Biden never came close to making a dozen false claims in a single speech, let alone five dozen false claims in one address, as Trump once did. In fact, the total number of Biden false claims so far is in the dozens, while Trump delivered well over 1,000 total false claims in his own first year and more than 3,000 the next year." No arguments with the trump claims. He did make false claims. I can admit it. Biden still made the false claims. You can't wiggle your way out of this one. Biden provided false and misinformation on the covid vaccine. And obviously the article is after the first year of Biden. I'm sure he has made more false claims since then.
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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 23 11.33am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What you said was "From the guy who tells you to look beyond his left wing or neoliberal sources.". No amount of wriggling can change a fact. I never told anyone to do that. It's just your usual twisted logic making statements that aren't true. It's a lie. No amount of smoke can disguise that. You persistently express your opinions about me as though they are facts but get very upset whenever anyone suggests you hold far-right opinions and insist you are a social conservative. The only hypocrite here is you. It is true, you did say words to that effect. I'll leave it to others to decide who from the two of us is the more likely to be dishonest or...if you actually believe what you're saying.... the most likely to remember correctly. I am a social conservative...Most people in the grass roots of any right wing party support some degree of social conservatism. The leaderships of both main parties are currently disfigurements of their base memberships with Labour moving to the right...and doing a 'Cameron' (who himself was doing a 'Blair') in filtering out anyone who doesn't fall into line on the hunt for the votes of wet economic social liberals who like their house prices....trying to convince them he won't scare the horses. While the Tories also present as social liberals in the same hunt for centralists who don't trust Labour....But the Tories aren't actually conservative anymore.....As in they break their promises and don't actually try to conserve anything.....Even Starmer accused them of that....Using an attack that comes right from the grass roots of the right. As for me with far right opinions....what is and isn't far right is debatable. Some views I hold would be considered that while others not. Essentially I'll end up voting for whatever is the most socially conservative option because our society is degenerating fast and the vulnerable and children are in that firing line. You on the other hand consider yourself a centralist, whilst refusing to condemn sexual child mulitation that's banned in this country....while the guy you call wise, Biden, defends it and condemns those against it.
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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 23 11.51am | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
No arguments with the trump claims. He did make false claims. I can admit it. Biden still made the false claims. You can't wiggle your way out of this one. Biden provided false and misinformation on the covid vaccine. And obviously the article is after the first year of Biden. I'm sure he has made more false claims since then. Apparently when the mafia investigate the mafia and find that they are mostly fine, you're expected to believe it. The viewership of CNN have spoken on what they think of them. Bought and sold out.....Same as all the mainstream networks. America was a great country but now it acts like a banana republic with air conditioning.
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Stirlingsays 16 Jun 23 12.07pm | |
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Dr John Campbell has been one of the few media figures I'm aware of that's continued and persisted in looking at the excess death figures within all age groups, using official statistics. Here he looks at the excess deaths within the young age groups in England.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 3.32pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
No arguments with the trump claims. He did make false claims. I can admit it. Biden still made the false claims. You can't wiggle your way out of this one. Biden provided false and misinformation on the covid vaccine. And obviously the article is after the first year of Biden. I'm sure he has made more false claims since then. No he did not. He told people what he, and those advising him, believed to be true at the time. That it was subsequently updated as new information became known doesn't change that. You have to view things in their context at the time.
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Teddy Eagle 16 Jun 23 3.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No he did not. He told people what he, and those advising him, believed to be true at the time. That it was subsequently updated as new information became known doesn't change that. You have to view things in their context at the time. Or maybe he just got it wrong. He is after all a self professed "gaffe machine".
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 3.47pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Dr John Campbell has been one of the few media figures I'm aware of that's continued and persisted in looking at the excess death figures within all age groups, using official statistics. Here he looks at the excess deaths within the young age groups in England. And he has persistently misrepresented them. Genuine analysis concludes that it is the impact of Covid itself that is responsible and not the vaccines which Campbell tries to taint. This is an analysis from an actuary. When I first started work I was training to be an actuary, so I understand the thoroughness of the work they do before reaching conclusions:-
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 3.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Or maybe he just got it wrong. He is after all a self professed "gaffe machine". Very possible. What's not is the assertion he was deliberately misleading people for nefarious purposes.
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eaglesdare 16 Jun 23 3.52pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
No he did not. He told people what he, and those advising him, believed to be true at the time. That it was subsequently updated as new information became known doesn't change that. You have to view things in their context at the time. Sleepy joe provided false and misinformation on the covid vaccine. It's as plain as day. It's not an opinion to be debated that you or I have. It is a fact. There was no testing done on transmissions. In general vaccines do not stop transmissions. As the article I provided said "It was clear even before the emergence of the Omicron variant that vaccinated people were still getting infected with the virus,"
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 16 Jun 23 9.11pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It is true, you did say words to that effect. I'll leave it to others to decide who from the two of us is the more likely to be dishonest or...if you actually believe what you're saying.... the most likely to remember correctly. I am a social conservative...Most people in the grass roots of any right wing party support some degree of social conservatism. The leaderships of both main parties are currently disfigurements of their base memberships with Labour moving to the right...and doing a 'Cameron' (who himself was doing a 'Blair') in filtering out anyone who doesn't fall into line on the hunt for the votes of wet economic social liberals who like their house prices....trying to convince them he won't scare the horses. While the Tories also present as social liberals in the same hunt for centralists who don't trust Labour....But the Tories aren't actually conservative anymore.....As in they break their promises and don't actually try to conserve anything.....Even Starmer accused them of that....Using an attack that comes right from the grass roots of the right. As for me with far right opinions....what is and isn't far right is debatable. Some views I hold would be considered that while others not. Essentially I'll end up voting for whatever is the most socially conservative option because our society is degenerating fast and the vulnerable and children are in that firing line. You on the other hand consider yourself a centralist, whilst refusing to condemn sexual child mulitation that's banned in this country....while the guy you call wise, Biden, defends it and condemns those against it.
There you go again! Claiming you know what I mean better than I do! Do you not see how arrogant that is? The Tories need to make up their mind if they want to survive as a major party or risk rivalling Reform, or whatever Farage decides to call himself, as the home for the fringe on the right. They will only survive if they control the centre. The same is true for every party. They may have to do it in coalitions in the future as I see a major realignment on the horizon, which is long overdue. People with views like yours must have voices in parliament but never again via controlling a major party. We need some honesty and for the hard right fringe of the Tories to leave in some way and join Farage. Maybe that’s where Johnson is headed! That you, again, insult me by suggesting I don’t condemn child mutilation is disgusting. Of course I do. I just don’t use such over emotional terms to describe medical procedures. You let your prejudices overcome reason.
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