some of this may be crap may be all but where is your source?

do you believe Soros and Jewish bankers started this?

Please expand where you get your information?

Ah the most naïve "peace dividend".

at least in the cold war we had a mission ....mostly watching and defending the GIUK gap, or defending German plains. nowadays who knows sh1t all is integrated, hence poor spending plans and strategic decisions across the board not just defense.

I get my information from anywhere that’s not got an obvious conflict of interest which is basically anything that’s not mainstream media and not state funded.

“Jewish bankers” - FFS

Soros is an interesting case in point mind, the idea that he cares about “social justice” based on his actions is frankly laughable.

There is no amount of “sources” I could provide you that would satisfy you so we are both wasting our time. I hope you wise up one day for your kids and grandchildrens sake. I really mean that.

I was probably very much like you not that long ago. I had massive hubris and no real understanding of power and it’s cut me down to size.

thank you. I think you have now stated enough about the baseless enough of neo-nationalist opinion .

In amongst the regular insults your claims for some massive difference for social liberalism seems quite weak.

In the US we have people walking through a building still in solitary confinement, in Canada we have protesters fined incredible amounts and in prison using terrorist legalization not designed for the purpose used..

Here just typing on here brought the Police to my door. Do you think just typing on a site with hundreds of people in Russia gets people jail sentences? I doubt it....probably a similar response.

Tommy Robinson is basically persecuted by the state any which way they can think of, essentially because he opposes them but more importantly is very well known....now that's a comparison with those jailed in Russia......are the communists persecuted? Bank accounts closed?

Do you know how many of the convicted grooming gang members have had their bank accounts closed.....I can tell you . None.

That group you like to think I'm recruiting for have also had their bank accounts closed down....is that liberal enough for you?

None of those having bank accounts closed down have criminal records, not one.

Plus new laws proposed to be passed that will strangle freedom of speech like never before.

So forgive me if I regard your claims of some massive difference in how home citizens are treated as something that was more true of the past than it is now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Mar 2022 11.18pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

There is a lot in this post that could be picked apart but I'll just respond to a couple of points.

I don't believe Nato could give such assurances. Membership is open to those who meet their criteria. There are disputed accounts of what was said when the re-unification of Germany happened, but they concern conversations between the US Secretary of State and Gorbachev. The US cannot commit Nato, although Russia, via Putin, seems to think it can. They, and some here it seems, have a fundamental misunderstanding of Nato's purpose and it's limitations. It's no threat to anyone. Its role is solely defensive. Maybe read this:-

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Given the way Putin has behaved in the past it's easy to understand why the Eastern European states would want to join a defensive alliance.

Of course the US wouldn't accept Russian missiles in Mexico. Russia isn't a defensive alliance like Nato! It's an aggressive, untrustworthy country run by an unstable dictator. The defensive forces in Eastern Europe are commanded by Nato, not by the USA or any other individual country. As I have suggested before there seems a way to create demilitarised buffer zones on each side of the borders. Wouldn't have helped Ukraine but might be a way forward.

I don't see much pragmatism in Putin. I see ruthlessness, deceit, and obsession but also miscalculation on an epic scale. However this ends there will never be forgiveness. The west will continue to squeeze, which will make him a very dangerous cornered animal. These are dark days which will last many years. Which is a very sad thought as I reach the final chapters of my life.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.