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Stirlingsays 14 Jan 20 1.27pm
Originally posted by Badger11 BBC reporting the "thought police" are to be deployed by Sheffield University, only they don't call it that. [Link] "Sheffield students paid to tackle racist language on campus" What's wrong with that well if a student is openly saying I hate all **** people nothing. It's when I see the examples of racism that I worry. From the BBC The students will be paid £9.34 per hour as "race equality champions", working between two and nine hours per week to tackle "microaggressions" in the university. These are described as comments or actions which might be unintentional, but which can cause offence to a minority group. It gives examples of what it means by microaggression - such as: "Stop making everything a race issue" "Why are you searching for things to be offended about?" "Where are you really from?" "I don't want to hear about your holiday to South Africa. It's nowhere near where I'm from" "Being compared to black celebrities that I look nothing like" Vice-chancellor Koen Lamberts said the initiative wanted to "change the way people think about racism". (I bet he does). Regarding the first 2 I have worked with people who were continually looking to be offended calling them out is not racist in that context. The holiday comment is plain rude telling someone you don't want to hear about it and the celebrity comment well I would be very happy to be compared to George Clooney. Yet again the BBC is reporting what I think is a highly controversial proposal to shut down free speech and doesn't bother to report the other point of view. As for the paid students no doubt the lefties will be queueing to sign up armed with their mobile phones and Hi Viz ready to root out wrong thinking. Sigh when I was growing up universities were bastions of free speech it sees a long time ago. There's a certain kind of conservative normie, and I don't present that as an insult because that was me, who wants to ignore race and be colour blind....which was the culture within which I grew up. What I came to realise, of course, is that this has consequences within the culture. If you leave a space within a power vacuum it's going to be filled and the far left have filled it. Now, if people want to ignore race, they are going to increasingly find out that it's not going to ignore them and that their protestations won't fix it. The people coming out of those universities are going to be the people running society and its institutions......Hell, we see them running them now. Now that's the pipeline. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Jan 2020 1.31pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Jan 20 1.27pm

Originally posted by Badger11

BBC reporting the "thought police" are to be deployed by Sheffield University, only they don't call it that.

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"Sheffield students paid to tackle racist language on campus" What's wrong with that well if a student is openly saying I hate all **** people nothing. It's when I see the examples of racism that I worry.

From the BBC
The students will be paid £9.34 per hour as "race equality champions", working between two and nine hours per week to tackle "microaggressions" in the university. These are described as comments or actions which might be unintentional, but which can cause offence to a minority group.

It gives examples of what it means by microaggression - such as:

"Stop making everything a race issue"
"Why are you searching for things to be offended about?"
"Where are you really from?"
"I don't want to hear about your holiday to South Africa. It's nowhere near where I'm from"
"Being compared to black celebrities that I look nothing like"

Vice-chancellor Koen Lamberts said the initiative wanted to "change the way people think about racism". (I bet he does).

Regarding the first 2 I have worked with people who were continually looking to be offended calling them out is not racist in that context. The holiday comment is plain rude telling someone you don't want to hear about it and the celebrity comment well I would be very happy to be compared to George Clooney.

Yet again the BBC is reporting what I think is a highly controversial proposal to shut down free speech and doesn't bother to report the other point of view.

As for the paid students no doubt the lefties will be queueing to sign up armed with their mobile phones and Hi Viz ready to root out wrong thinking.

Sigh when I was growing up universities were bastions of free speech it sees a long time ago.

There's a certain kind of conservative normie, and I don't present that as an insult because that was me, who wants to ignore race and be colour blind....which was the culture within which I grew up.

What I came to realise, of course, is that this has consequences within the culture. If you leave a space within a power vacuum it's going to be filled and the far left have filled it.

Now, if people want to ignore race, they are going to increasingly find out that it's not going to ignore them and that their protestations won't fix it.

The people coming out of those universities are going to be the people running society and its institutions......Hell, we see them running them now.

Now that's the pipeline.

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W12 14 Jan 20 2.07pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle No you didn't but if you check the thread the assertion that less than 50% of Londoners are now British was based on the last census return reporting that a minority now self identify there as "White" British. Hence the linkage. For sure this is a job which will never end. It's a pipeline. It's also a two way pipeline as we have a significant amount of emigration as well and always have had. For most of our recent history more people have left our shores than arrived. That has been reversed in the last few years but will it last? Take a look here:- [Link] I have never actually seen a "Jedi Knight" in Truro but regularly see plenty of Muslims, mostly as tourists of course, but we have residents as well. I know people had some fun with the last census! Some are fixated with the fact that I live in Cornwall and seem to think that means I cannot see, or have an opinion on, what happens on the other side of the Tamar. You might have noticed that I have an opinion on what happens in the USA too, so not physically being someone is not an impediment to forming a view. As I have pointed out before having a keen interest and a long perspective can add value to a debate. It might not just be your perspective. Thanks for the link to your propaganda. I'm sure "global citizen.org" has absolutely no interest in globalization and flooding the west with immigrants despite all the people on the board being either from large corporations or leftist quangos / NGO's (the latter now being a huge business in itself). No lets take on their "surprising facts". 1. The UK is the 10th largest source of migrants to the rest of the world - which tells you that based on the actual net migration number the actual number of 3rd world people coming to this country is even bigger than people think. It's not just white flight from big cities (which we know has been going on for years) that are causing the huge demographic changes but people leaving what they see as a sinking ship. 2. Only one-third of immigrants to the UK come from EU countries - Yes and so what. The one's coming from the EU are not all called Pierre or Heinrich anyway. More evidence of huge demographic change. 3. The UK population greatly overestimates the proportion of immigrants in the country. For a start see me answer to (1) - no they don't, and the supermarkets have estimated we are closer to 80 million people based on food sales alone. People can see these changes every day of their lives especially if they are living in the big cities and larger towns. It's a dramatic change. 4. A 2014 British social attitudes survey found that 24% of the public believed the most common motive for immigration was welfare - You have to earn about £40k to pay enough taxes not to be a burden on the state. How many people from pakistan, Romania, Sub-Saharan Africa etc earn this much? Also look at the money simply being extracted from our economyhttps://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrant-remittances-to-and-from-the-uk/) 5. “Mass” was the most commonly used word to describe "immigration" by the British media from 2006-2015 - at what point do we get to call it "mass"? Just another attempt to control language and hide what's really happening. 6. When the press specifically used the words 'immigrants' or 'migrants', rather than 'immigration,' the word 'illegal' was used 3 out of 10 times - As per (5) and so what? It's not beyond the realms of possibility that 30% if migrants are illegal anyway. 7. Overall, migrants give more to the UK than they take. - this is proven bollocks and we all know it [Link] Also, we only need migrants in the NHS to care for other migrants. 6.5 million new people registered for the HNS between 2007 and 2017 when the native population is shrinking. 8. Britain’s official favourite dish — fish and chips — was brought to the UK by a Jewish refugee - well that got them to eight and I guess it makes all the above worthwhile. In short, the benefits of mass migration to western countries is the biggest lie in history.
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W12 14 Jan 20 2.07pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

No you didn't but if you check the thread the assertion that less than 50% of Londoners are now British was based on the last census return reporting that a minority now self identify there as "White" British. Hence the linkage.

For sure this is a job which will never end. It's a pipeline. It's also a two way pipeline as we have a significant amount of emigration as well and always have had. For most of our recent history more people have left our shores than arrived. That has been reversed in the last few years but will it last?

Take a look here:- [Link]

I have never actually seen a "Jedi Knight" in Truro but regularly see plenty of Muslims, mostly as tourists of course, but we have residents as well. I know people had some fun with the last census!

Some are fixated with the fact that I live in Cornwall and seem to think that means I cannot see, or have an opinion on, what happens on the other side of the Tamar. You might have noticed that I have an opinion on what happens in the USA too, so not physically being someone is not an impediment to forming a view. As I have pointed out before having a keen interest and a long perspective can add value to a debate. It might not just be your perspective.

Thanks for the link to your propaganda. I'm sure "global citizen.org" has absolutely no interest in globalization and flooding the west with immigrants despite all the people on the board being either from large corporations or leftist quangos / NGO's (the latter now being a huge business in itself).

No lets take on their "surprising facts".

1. The UK is the 10th largest source of migrants to the rest of the world - which tells you that based on the actual net migration number the actual number of 3rd world people coming to this country is even bigger than people think. It's not just white flight from big cities (which we know has been going on for years) that are causing the huge demographic changes but people leaving what they see as a sinking ship.

2. Only one-third of immigrants to the UK come from EU countries - Yes and so what. The one's coming from the EU are not all called Pierre or Heinrich anyway. More evidence of huge demographic change.

3. The UK population greatly overestimates the proportion of immigrants in the country. For a start see me answer to (1) - no they don't, and the supermarkets have estimated we are closer to 80 million people based on food sales alone. People can see these changes every day of their lives especially if they are living in the big cities and larger towns. It's a dramatic change.

4. A 2014 British social attitudes survey found that 24% of the public believed the most common motive for immigration was welfare - You have to earn about £40k to pay enough taxes not to be a burden on the state. How many people from pakistan, Romania, Sub-Saharan Africa etc earn this much? Also look at the money simply being extracted from our economyhttps://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrant-remittances-to-and-from-the-uk/)

5. “Mass” was the most commonly used word to describe "immigration" by the British media from 2006-2015 - at what point do we get to call it "mass"? Just another attempt to control language and hide what's really happening.

6. When the press specifically used the words 'immigrants' or 'migrants', rather than 'immigration,' the word 'illegal' was used 3 out of 10 times - As per (5) and so what? It's not beyond the realms of possibility that 30% if migrants are illegal anyway.

7. Overall, migrants give more to the UK than they take. - this is proven bollocks and we all know it [Link]
Also, we only need migrants in the NHS to care for other migrants. 6.5 million new people registered for the HNS between 2007 and 2017 when the native population is shrinking.

8. Britain’s official favourite dish — fish and chips — was brought to the UK by a Jewish refugee - well that got them to eight and I guess it makes all the above worthwhile.

In short, the benefits of mass migration to western countries is the biggest lie in history.

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W12 14 Jan 20 2.32pm
Here is probably a more surprising fact: Response to UCL paper on the fiscal effects of immigration to the UK [Link] Between 1995 and 2011 the fiscal cost of migrants in the UK was at least £115 billion and possibly as much as £160 billion according to a report from the Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration headed by Professor Christian Dustmann at University College, London. The report found that migrants in the UK were a fiscal cost in every year examined Also have a good look at this: [Link] £16.5 billion leaving the economy each year plus the billions we are spending on foreign aid yet our elderly are dying of cold and our veterans sleep on the streets.
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W12 14 Jan 20 2.32pm

Here is probably a more surprising fact:

Response to UCL paper on the fiscal effects of immigration to the UK

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Between 1995 and 2011 the fiscal cost of migrants in the UK was at least £115 billion and possibly as much as £160 billion according to a report from the Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration headed by Professor Christian Dustmann at University College, London. The report found that migrants in the UK were a fiscal cost in every year examined

Also have a good look at this:

[Link]

£16.5 billion leaving the economy each year plus the billions we are spending on foreign aid yet our elderly are dying of cold and our veterans sleep on the streets.

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Stirlingsays 14 Jan 20 3.09pm
Excellent posts W12. Telling truth to sour. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 Jan 20 3.09pm

Excellent posts W12.

Telling truth to sour.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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W12 14 Jan 20 3.32pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Excellent posts W12. Telling truth to sour. I still don’t think this registers with those that don’t already agree with me. The indoctrination is so ingrained it’s scary.
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W12 14 Jan 20 3.32pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Excellent posts W12.

Telling truth to sour.

I still don’t think this registers with those that don’t already agree with me. The indoctrination is so ingrained it’s scary.

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Stirlingsays 14 Jan 20 3.44pm
Originally posted by W12 I still don’t think this registers with those that don’t already agree with me. The indoctrination is so ingrained it’s scary. Yep, not a patch on the generations that actually made this country great. Now the British are going the way of the Dodo.....but hey, at least no one called them 'racist' eh. Powell was right. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Jan 20 3.44pm

Originally posted by W12

I still don’t think this registers with those that don’t already agree with me. The indoctrination is so ingrained it’s scary.

Yep, not a patch on the generations that actually made this country great. Now the British are going the way of the Dodo.....but hey, at least no one called them 'racist' eh.

Powell was right.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 20 8.30pm
Originally posted by W12 I still don’t think this registers with those that don’t already agree with me. The indoctrination is so ingrained it’s scary. As it seems you struggle with alternative viewpoints I question who is actually indoctrinated. I won't bother to try to answer all the responses and defensive justifications you made in your previous post. I suggest you send it to the author, and not to me. We are where we are. Why we are can be argued about, but it's not going to change the past. What matters is how we deal with it and how we plan our future. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 20 8.30pm

Originally posted by W12

I still don’t think this registers with those that don’t already agree with me. The indoctrination is so ingrained it’s scary.

As it seems you struggle with alternative viewpoints I question who is actually indoctrinated.

I won't bother to try to answer all the responses and defensive justifications you made in your previous post. I suggest you send it to the author, and not to me.

We are where we are. Why we are can be argued about, but it's not going to change the past. What matters is how we deal with it and how we plan our future.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 20 9.12pm
Once again the ugly word "racist" crops up. From the usual suspect who seems so wound up about it that you have to wonder why. I sense some repressed guilt but as I am no psychologist I am probably wrong. It's another of those interesting words which some people seem to want to redefine. I hope we can agree that a racist is someone who practises racism and that anyone who does is stupid, so we can ignore that word. The OED defines racism as :- "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." Seems pretty straightforward to me. It also seems unarguable that there are some in the majority population of the UK who can legitimately be described as racists. Especially by the antagonism criteria! It seems though not everyone agrees! Although focussed on the USA this piece makes some interesting points:- [Link] One particular sentence resonated with me:- "One response is that these Republicans are more offended at being called racist than at being racist." For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 20 9.12pm

Once again the ugly word "racist" crops up. From the usual suspect who seems so wound up about it that you have to wonder why. I sense some repressed guilt but as I am no psychologist I am probably wrong.

It's another of those interesting words which some people seem to want to redefine. I hope we can agree that a racist is someone who practises racism and that anyone who does is stupid, so we can ignore that word.

The OED defines racism as :-

"Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."

Seems pretty straightforward to me. It also seems unarguable that there are some in the majority population of the UK who can legitimately be described as racists. Especially by the antagonism criteria!

It seems though not everyone agrees! Although focussed on the USA this piece makes some interesting points:-

[Link]

One particular sentence resonated with me:-

"One response is that these Republicans are more offended at being called racist than at being racist."

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Teddy Eagle 14 Jan 20 9.24pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Once again the ugly word "racist" crops up. From the usual suspect who seems so wound up about it that you have to wonder why. I sense some repressed guilt but as I am no psychologist I am probably wrong. It's another of those interesting words which some people seem to want to redefine. I hope we can agree that a racist is someone who practises racism and that anyone who does is stupid, so we can ignore that word. The OED defines racism as :- "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." Seems pretty straightforward to me. It also seems unarguable that there are some in the majority population of the UK who can legitimately be described as racists. Especially by the antagonism criteria! It seems though not everyone agrees! Although focussed on the USA this piece makes some interesting points:- [Link] One particular sentence resonated with me:- "One response is that these Republicans are more offended at being called racist than at being racist." It’s also unarguable that people from India and pakistan and the West Indies and Africa often have prejudices against each other. Is that racism?
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Teddy Eagle

14 Jan 20 9.24pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The OED defines racism as :-

It seems though not everyone agrees! Although focussed on the USA this piece makes some interesting points:-

[Link]

One particular sentence resonated with me:-

"One response is that these Republicans are more offended at being called racist than at being racist."

It’s also unarguable that people from India and pakistan and the West Indies and Africa often have prejudices against each other. Is that racism?

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jan 20 9.31pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Once again the ugly word "racist" crops up. From the usual suspect who seems so wound up about it that you have to wonder why. I sense some repressed guilt but as I am no psychologist I am probably wrong. It's another of those interesting words which some people seem to want to redefine. I hope we can agree that a racist is someone who practises racism and that anyone who does is stupid, so we can ignore that word. The OED defines racism as :- "Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized." Seems pretty straightforward to me. It also seems unarguable that there are some in the majority population of the UK who can legitimately be described as racists. Especially by the antagonism criteria! It seems though not everyone agrees! Although focussed on the USA this piece makes some interesting points:- [Link] One particular sentence resonated with me:- "One response is that these Republicans are more offended at being called racist than at being racist." This implies that racism towards someone in a majority is OK. That is a double standard. I wonder if that definition would be so readily applied to a White minority? We are, after all, a minority by nearly 10 to 1 on this planet.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The OED defines racism as :-

"Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized."

It seems though not everyone agrees! Although focussed on the USA this piece makes some interesting points:-

[Link]

One particular sentence resonated with me:-

"One response is that these Republicans are more offended at being called racist than at being racist."

This implies that racism towards someone in a majority is OK.
That is a double standard.

I wonder if that definition would be so readily applied to a White minority?

We are, after all, a minority by nearly 10 to 1 on this planet.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 20 9.40pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle It’s also unarguable that people from India and pakistan and the West Indies and Africa often have prejudices against each other. Is that racism? Answer that yourself by using the definition given. When the majority targets a minority I personally think it is. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 20 9.40pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It’s also unarguable that people from India and pakistan and the West Indies and Africa often have prejudices against each other. Is that racism?

Answer that yourself by using the definition given. When the majority targets a minority I personally think it is.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 20 9.46pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger This implies that racism towards someone in a majority is OK. That is a double standard. I wonder if that definition would be so readily applied to a White minority? We are, after all, a minority by nearly 10 to 1 on this planet. It does say typically and not exclusively. If you were in another country and part of a minority ex Pat British community then it is quite possible that you could suffer from racism. To a degree I have before. The colour of your skin has nothing to do with it. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jan 2020 9.49pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 Jan 20 9.46pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This implies that racism towards someone in a majority is OK.
That is a double standard.

I wonder if that definition would be so readily applied to a White minority?

We are, after all, a minority by nearly 10 to 1 on this planet.

It does say typically and not exclusively.

If you were in another country and part of a minority ex Pat British community then it is quite possible that you could suffer from racism. To a degree I have before. The colour of your skin has nothing to do with it.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (14 Jan 2020 9.49pm)

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